Un-Reasonible Ships

OP 01/08/2007 · 07:05 AM #1

Pyth
D.Angel

we all know they are pretty bad. They are meant for Maru a poor & not very rich race. on the other hand Viral are very rich. Which has become an issue with the spamming of these cheap upkeep ships.

I was looking thro the ships. (Terran, A.miner, Guards, Maru)
Pyth & D.Angel got a one of big difference between the other ships.

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Hull, Weapons, Power rating ratios nearly all equal up the same.

only other ships that are similar are Destoryers & the Guard Ruby & Tourmaline who care the same qualities as the Pyth & D.Angel except the fellowing which make Pyth & D.Angel Superior

Destoryers have heavy upkeeps & slow build rates & weak hulls but have range

Guard ships have major weakness in shields & strengths as well but for the majory they remain weak stacking wise overall. Guards normally use Queen & Fodder in fleets which are slow build rate stuff to balance out their fleets better making this race more balanced.

Pyth & D.Angel are to cheap in upkeep & also have bad design issues i think & they lack normal chacteristics of most ships with similar backgrounds

D Deiloche

02/08/2007 · 05:41 PM #43

The upkeep should be much higher for marauders, too. The upkeep on those ships is completely unreasonable, even for marauders.

D Deiloche

02/08/2007 · 05:39 PM #42

Apologies: My comment earlier was supposed to read: "Anybody here see a marauder stack outside of RT? I haven`t."

Sorry.

D DeadlyMilkMan

02/08/2007 · 04:54 PM #41

Honestly dude what is your suggestion here? Delete the ships? Modify them? To what purpose?

A Athena

02/08/2007 · 04:46 PM #40

Well if that were true CounterCrazy, and its not, then get rid of the herc juggs, hte nirv dreads and the tyr dreads because apparently they`re the only ships that terrans and virals spam alike lately here on Normal where I am Aminer.

But I`m not going to go crying to my mummy when I`m attacked, figure your ships out boy.

Skyview attacked you. Attack has failed !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
Skyview`s fleet
Nirvana Dreadnought 27 21 6
Hercules Juggernaught 10 1 9
Tyr Dreadnought 30 24 6

my only reget in that battle is that I didn`t have turns at that time to counter him.

Oh and virals
for Aminer
virals aren`t so tough.

Bobbysindustrialpat`s fleet
V.Borrelly Destroyer 844 130 714
D.Angel Battleship 16 16 0
Pyth Battleship 14 14 0
Strafez Queen 23 23 0
Small Strafez Runner 120 120 0
F.Sword Destroyer 10 10 0
Pike Destroyer 9 9 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 10 10 0
A.Aragonite Dreadnought 1 1 0
Large Strafez Fodder 1 1 0

Colonies Captured
Name Type Land Size
E.6241 Forest 223
E.6239 Balanced 397

D DeadlyMilkMan

02/08/2007 · 04:45 PM #39

Correction: VV "the maru that do not have any other **BIG** ships"

D DeadlyMilkMan

02/08/2007 · 04:27 PM #38

Im a marauder with around 32 bil total cred. Im not richer only because I dont research or try to make money, I just get big bank once in a while when i really need it. Angel and pyth are ships made for a very agressive race, the guns on em are really big because marauders only really attack (thats why we have no starbase). Pyth and angel are abused by virals because of their good upkeep and such, but are needed by the often poorer maru>>> the maru that DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER SHIPS. I love the two ships and dont want em changed, I just wish the upkeep would be much much higher when virals use em. I dont really get what you`re ranting about CC.

P Pandy

02/08/2007 · 04:16 PM #37

and as for maruader being not rich, have you actually played them ? because i make billions on my maruader on fast and ultra when i battle, seriously only one c1 smallish and i`m 400 mill richer, stop being a sissygirl.

P Pandy

02/08/2007 · 04:13 PM #36

really they spam them ? only them ?

everyone spams get used to it

uminom attacked you. Attack has failed !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
uminom`s fleet
Hercules Juggernaught 31 13 18
V.Borrelly Destroyer 1,403 1,403 0

GENGHISRAHN counter-attacked you. Attack has failed !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
GENGHISRAHN`s fleet
D.Angel Battleship 55 17 38
Pyth Battleship 55 15 40
Large Strafez Fodder 449 50 399

GENGHISRAHN`s fleet
Strafez Queen 222 222 0
Small Strafez Runner 1,689 1,689 0
D.Hammerhead Frigate 53 53 0
D.Angel Battleship 8 8 0
Pyth Battleship 8 8 0
Large Strafez Fodder 829 380 449
D.Bullhead Cruiser 15 15 0

just learn to defend

C CounterCrazyOP

02/08/2007 · 01:56 PM #35

Yoshi if i had a problem with fighting i think i wouldnt be where im at for such a long time.

Player profile
Playing since 19 November 2006
Empire age 124 day(s)
Battles won 2,023
Battles lost 1,213
Colonies won 4,146
Colonies lost 1,535
Colonies explored 7,317
Planets plundered 11,828

here i even got a site you can check my wins & loses at lol

http://matt88e.freehostia.com/A.minerShipUpdateStuff/1.htm

Y Yoshi

02/08/2007 · 10:22 AM #34

yeah sure CC its really hard...and cash is easy with viral

I can amke over 15million a turns in 6 days as tax miner
I make make nearly 20bil as terran
Maru if im lucky
Guard hard...never tried it really
Coll, depend on the market...

If you just suck at battle, keep basing and keep getting smashed down by CC. You some of the best ships to kill Angel and Pyth, if you ever tried it, behind basing and loosing, LYTH kill, rape, wipe, completly make hard time to PYTH. And...LICTOR as far as i know..is very good against ANGEL! When they spam...just spam back...or else...just please, stop posting useless thing like that...and learn your Dudelly ships....

C CounterCrazyOP

02/08/2007 · 09:22 AM #33

Viral are meant to be hard, but they arent even hard at all. less then 20 days you can get over 10 billion cold cash as a viral. & be fighting in high power shortly afterwards

D Deiloche

02/08/2007 · 09:11 AM #32

My comments aren`t directed at virals. They are directed at marauders. Anybody here see a viral stack outside of RT? I haven`t.

C CounterCrazyOP

02/08/2007 · 08:27 AM #31

ShatterdDreams i like the suggestion. Ur like the only viral who will say something like that you crazy nut lol. LOVE YOU.

B Boyer

02/08/2007 · 06:27 AM #30

It seems to me that people keep complaining about "race issues" just because they have a few losses in a row. GET OVER IT. Seriously people, any race can be beaten most of the time if you just THINK. Go figure right?
Viral, viral, viral, collective, viral again. You want things to change? Get over it and spend your time learning how to beat them instead of complaining about it. Nothing is going to happen, period.

R Ragnarok

02/08/2007 · 04:45 AM #29

yea, i think that maybe pyth and angel upkeep should be increased so that its comparable to other races` capital ships, and then let marauder have better income to compensate for it. Maybe better plunder rates.

Even better, make pyth/angel ships G class so that they can`t be Reverse Engineered xD

S species382

02/08/2007 · 03:06 AM #28

aehem, no, if money is an issue (high-pr, non-rt), then ther is absolutely no motivation to build a fleet not centered arround pyth and angles

M Maraudian

02/08/2007 · 01:42 AM #27

viral are normally tempted to stack , its just a shame they dont all feel the temptation

E Exule

02/08/2007 · 01:40 AM #26

How about we stop crying about viral? Honestly, if you learn to kill them it isn`t that big of a deal. Especially those ships...

S ShatterdDreams

02/08/2007 · 01:36 AM #25

oh and those ships have 4500 upkeep but their cost is 15,000,000 a piece

S ShatterdDreams

02/08/2007 · 01:14 AM #24

Blaah...Pyth and Angel delete their code and make something better

F`n. Rainbow
Class Dreadnought
Weapon 15,500
Energy Damage 15,000
Kinetic Damage 500
Missile Damage 0
Chemical Damage 0

Hull 30,000
Range 6
Scanner rating 220
Power rating 26,987

Defense Modifier
Absorption Shield + 40 %
ECM + 10 %
Ionized Hull + 25 %
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F`n. SunShine
Class Dreadnought
Weapon 24,000
Energy Damage 3,000
Kinetic Damage 3,000
Missile Damage 18,000
Chemical Damage 0

Hull 18,000
Range 7
Scanner rating 427
Power rating 28,072

Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 5 %
Absorption Shield - 25 %
ECM - 25 %
Ionized Hull + 40 %

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