Mineral bot - Discussion

.... lmao Galact, man you and I need to talk or something, we think alike :P

Ya never know....look what happened after the last update. Now multiply that by 2.5 years and you get...something very very VERY bad. lol

Galactic, not to get off topic, but if your thinking about that terrible doomsday idea, then i hope for god your right he doesnt hehe.

*Omeg goes hunting on another Server in his command station* ill see where this goes all day :S

If he does anything it all. This is stephen we`re talking about. Hopefully he`ll do the opposite of what I think he`ll do.

True Mass, was trying to point that out but not as detailed heh, yea this will be interesting how he will program it

IF stephen does update GC he`ll have to update RT and the turnbased GC servers differently. If you play another server than RT you`ll notice that they are 2 different games in a way. Thats one issue.

The miner ships are fine, contrary to what the newbs are complaining. Its the build rates, as I believe Omegian was trying to state, that kill the Miners chances of winning. A few ships could use tweaking, But if the Build rates were increased, We would be able to compete. I know I can do it decent enough as miner if i have the time. And qwerty, there used to be turn based dp, at least on UC..But yeah.. I also wish they would put that in again. It would work much better. You cant keep the bot there forever, so it is most definetly only a temporary solution. If stephen would stop paying attention to UC, and give the update weve been waiting a year for, things might get better. Cant 100% blame him though. UC makes him most money, with the paid projects, paid accounts being much more usefull n all.

Sorry, thing cut off, Second was what many vets will say, miners are the worst race for RT, they cant fight, if you had all vets, then RT would be fine, but many vets would rather play other races with better ships than asphas, so somehow asphas are getting the double punch, minerals and sucky ships as they are hte supporters but also the easiest beaten unless they have like 200 turns to balance out a 10 stack fleet, which is hard since a viral can spam 45 angels and do a wipeout on any aspha 2-3 cols easily or even guard with its ruby, khunli attacks, terrans with thier hercs,nirvs .... all can build an easy 800k pr with thier 15 turns i believe, asphas flysche, other small ships as lyths and lictors i prefer not to use as the head stacks for my own reasons but i would only make 400-750k but with lesser mods and weak to all those capital ships where i lose either way .... sorry m8 but i know you have heard this Stephen, fix GC other than new stuff, at least tweak the mods now and do the major stuff later

Qwerty, your right about loof, now me and Drewski are the large asphas, but ill admit one thing, i have seen less and less miners active and more free mineral race ships fighting me

qwerty: If the market s dry then there aren`t enough minerals out. Thats plain logic. Mineral Hoarding has been around for a quite a bit now and we`ll have to accept that as a part of gamepay sooner or later unless something is done. But as of now the demand is higher than the production. So we need more production which = more miners. But we have a problem in this equation. Nobody wants to be miner. If Miner was made more "appealing" I`m sure we`d get an increase in mineral abundance sooner or later. I`m not saying Miner are horrible cause you can win with them but its way to hard for normal people like me. Just make more easy to battle with. Not great but just so that normal people can win with them. To prevent an abuse with the credits and better ships just dwngrade their economy a little. For an easy race they sure aren`t.

I disagree with your premise, querty360. I like the ingenuity of your idea, but this game needs to be more than fighting to ever mean anything. Some people "play" the market others like myself rely on GC as only part of the experience. Building communities around federations and the politics and diplomacy surrounding that is another aspect of this game that many simply ignore. Besides, the battles in GC are repetitive, It seems to me that there needs to be a deeper level of game play to revitalize GC, at least I feel, beyond battles.
Adar

hmm the bot is not due to a lack of miners
and miners can compete at high prs as loof proved a while ago

there are enough minerals being produced by the existing miners to go around.
The bot is as a result of a small number of people hoarding the minerals that are being produced, to store excess cash, and cover up after bots

Very little fighting is going on, but lots of minerals are being bought... Even though their perpose is (indirectly) fighting


Solution = turn based DP to stop the usage of bots, as most of the people buying it out are almost certainly botting to do it
- Yes this would increase the amount of fighting, and therefore the level of minerals being used, however research bots would become obselete as they would get kicked out of dp too often
- Some races (cough miner cough) could have more turns before coming out of Dp as an aditional balancing system and others (cough viral cough) could have much fewer turns
- Players would spend their money on fighting rather than on minerals
- this would incorage fighting, making the game more interesting again to most players
- Players who want to sit in DP and make money would be almost forced to go miner, the race designed for that tactic

well Ares now we know that stephen is not a very good business person cant we? i think that stephen thought of all the ideas just did not do too much calculations with it. he made sure that miners are defensive race but with the lac of defence miners are unable to defend them selves. i think he could have made the starbases with even more defence and less offence or something.

Good move. It helps keep new people around and doesn`t stop players from making money in in the market since all they have to do is post for a buck less than the max.

well consider this if we lose all the miners and then the mineral bot was taken away, or it crashed due to the fact that there was too much demand. wouldnt that be something to see?

Oh yeah I forgot to put this into my rant post. If a race is supposed to supply 2 MAJOR parts of the market it should appeal to people. Not scare them away. To be able to supply CG`s and Minerals to the market there must be enough producers. And to get producer means people have to play A.Miner. So to get them to play they must be playable. Maybe stephen should have though A.Miners through more.

no i mean everybody thats buying up the minerals are trying to protect aganist haveing the money taken by maj. dineros

Finally someone who`s on my side. Couldnt have said it better my slef Omegian.

Snoopy, problem is then no one will play Aspha, The Bot will just make people that are asphas that were trying to help just change race, which is what I did in the beginning, now im back since hte Kazul has returned, I will go terran or Guard probably since now there are minerals.

I agree with Ares and others saying Asphas stink, they dont have the ships nor the right mods to fight heavy pr battles, its mostly counters and lucky hits after 1 mil pr ... its just spam stacking 3-6 stacks. Like all others though on RT are like that at least from how i see it.

If Kazul is going to just mine all hte minerals for us, well heres to him, say good bye to asphas then. Cuz Im not going to mine if this keeps up. Im sick of Aspha, rather play with a race with at least better mods and ranges that actually can hold ground to a collective or even a guard.

Oh well, btw if you see alot of Aminers in VM cuz they dont want to fight, they rather research and sell in market, They dont have the ships to fight on the ranks to get 3 planets.

Again this bot just is a temporary relief to RT needs, there needs to be mod changes just for RT or some specialty for Asphas so that we can sell more and still be able to fight with all the others in the top 100 ranks, Its not easy nor will i say really hard, but its medium to hard.

Ill see what my aspha friends will say on this as well

freeland: Since theres always gonna be minerals theres no need for Miners. Now that we have or Bot Savior.