Re-consturst on T.Empeuer

H HiigaransOP

OP 09/05/2007 · 08:47 PM #1

grr... i accidentally click the close button again.

Name T.Empereur
Class Battleship
Weapon 3,500
Energy Damage 2,000
Kinetic Damage 1,500
Missile Damage 0
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 9,000
Range 7
Scanner rating 300
Power rating 6,556

Cost per unit 60,275
Upkeep 7,200

1 turn produces 5
(build rate might need to change if double build rate apply on other smaller ship later)

Mineral Required Required
Terran Metal 120

Ship Specials
No retaliation

Ship Attributes

Defense Modifier
Energy Shield - 35 %
Absorption Shield + 45 %
ECM - 25 %
Ionized Hull + 45 %

if the Emp was done, i expect the new Aragonite will have something similar like this Emp LOL *note old Emp was just a twins with Aragonite

H HiigaransOP

23/05/2007 · 11:37 AM #47

after tune, the shield was stated in the last post. hope this will be the final tune.

*note each tune take Hii a lot time to test out each ship with 1 by 1.

P Pullo

17/05/2007 · 03:36 PM #46

looks reasonable to me :)

H HiigaransOP

17/05/2007 · 12:33 PM #45

E: -30% K: +40% M: -20% C: +35%

this is what i using n do the test now.

H HiigaransOP

17/05/2007 · 12:25 PM #44

listen here, i might tune the shield again. i found out that new Emp get pawned badly. refer to my last post, i might swap kinetic with chemical, slightly improve the missile... i will show the result later.

H HiigaransOP

14/05/2007 · 10:23 PM #43

lmao, althought it was a Taurmaline or Ruby liked shiled, i m not gonna use the same thing. of course, bigger ships suspose have better shield, isnt it? LOL so, i just slightly improve the shielding, make it look different n slightly better than Taur n Ruby :P

species382> as i mentioned before, +25% on shielding wont make thing difference. read the previous post.

Zenith> dude, i create such shiedling looong time ago. well, i wonder did u design ur ships since 1.5 years ago? LOL *slap Zenith

Gliead> well, dont panic.. A.Aragonite will have something like this. but wont go too far, just stay tuned. we will move to Aragonite after new Emp was done. yes, i saw the thread opn forum about Lyth. i will explain further on the chian effect which i had mentioned before.

G Gilead

14/05/2007 · 01:04 AM #42

Hiigarans: I think your last suggestion looks very good.... I think I would support introduction of this Emp.... but then Aragonite would quickly need a re-vamp as well :)

Z Zenith

13/05/2007 · 03:25 AM #41

He stole my shields!

S species382

13/05/2007 · 12:08 AM #40

id propose E: -30% K: +30 % M: -25% C: +25%, and either adding "no defence" or subtracting "no retail"

H HiigaransOP

12/05/2007 · 10:58 AM #39

refresh, refresh, refresh...

E: -30% K: +35 % M: -25% C: +40%

G Gilead

11/05/2007 · 06:31 PM #38

Hiigarans: ok, new Emp would be only caputal ship with negative energy shield.... but should we then change Angel and Lyth shield on Kinetic (because they have -30% and -35%) especially compared to the +40% of the Emp....

And Ruby (E -50%, K 30%, M -30% C 50%) and Tourmaline (E -50%, K 50%, M -40% C 40%) have total shielding sum of zero! and they have low range.....

and re-reading your last post: was E: -30% K: +40% M: -30% C: +40% your new idea for the Emp? If you really want to make it like Tourmaline and Ruby, do this:
E: -30% K: +30% M: -40% C: +40%

H HiigaransOP

11/05/2007 · 05:26 PM #37

i just have a look on Taurmaline n Ruby shield mod, it give me another idea now.

E: -30% K: +40% M: -30% C: +40%

in fact, i had told ppl about the shielding on new Emp was more like a Taurmaline or Ruby in previous thread LOL

P Perseus

11/05/2007 · 05:15 PM #36

hmm i think they have a point. lower the kinetic to like 30% like ruby. it got good enough hull and dmg/pr ratio

H HiigaransOP

11/05/2007 · 05:15 PM #35

ok.. just to refresh the shielding again after 6 hrs of testing on shield vs some major often used ships. i cant remember how much time i had spend on the new Emp from 2 years ago until now LOL *note Hii did purpose the Emp update right after the v1.05 while the rise of Viral, Collective and KalZul.

E: -35% K: +40% M: -25% C: +45%

also, if the new Emp was too overpowered after implemented. we can still fix it again. dont make the conclusion too early without test it out. Emp can get an update finally and i wont give up so easily :)

H HiigaransOP

11/05/2007 · 05:07 PM #34

ok, it seems like some ppl start missunderstood on my reply and think that i m not gonna accept any comments.

i m showing how the shield work , explain on the reason and give further example to defend my points.

well, what so wierd when i point at kinetic dmg units about the G class, it is major on kinetic dmg. major weapon on H.Galleon is kinetic too.

other like Pike, R.Schooner, Pyth or even Nirvana, they did kinetic dmg too. ships like Pike n R.Schooner has 50% of thier dmg on kinetic too. so, what`s the problem on that? did i post something missleading other?

i was pointing at the 25% shielding mod wont help much when i point on Flysch vs old Emp. so, dont pull the topic too far away. or y dont u just read the following about my T.Garuda kill old Emp?

AND, listen here. i dont remember that i said something like G class got good dmg per pr or any vice versa.

i agree on the shield was use to reduce dmg but not elimination. the only race got the such godly shielding would be the Guardian, they got the K class n G class on 99%. guess we must nerfe them all LOL

finally, the new Emp shield mod will still need to adjust, i know that and we all know that. so, beside shot me down with ur comment, y dont u shot me down with the better idea like someone did previously?

Gliead> lmao, i guess new Emp is the only 1 capital suk on enegry shield among all races later LOL Hercules n Flysch is the lowest for now with 0% :p

Pansy> dont be susprise, my T.Kaliuem spam lose to a Queen spam in defensive. u can search the thread in forum LOL

Cynthelion> if u dont have/like any comment, then dont reply n dont post any in this thread. u r just wasting ur time n enegry to read n reply but result with ignore from those who care.

G Gilead

11/05/2007 · 04:07 PM #33

Hiigarans: does it matter that the new Emp would have the worst energy shields of all the capital ships? there will always be one ships with the worst energy shielding (except if you give all the capital ships the same shielding :P)

giving the new Emp the best chemical shielding for a capital ship (guard ships excluded) is an interesting idea, and I would support that. But giving that good shields to two kinds of damage is just too much....

(something irrelevant, but fun to note: just saw, the Lyth, a dreadnought, has zero sum shields).

S species382

11/05/2007 · 04:05 PM #32

Indeed, refering to g.class is pretty much an "own goal" disabling your own argumentation.

D Deiloche

11/05/2007 · 02:36 PM #31

[quote] talking on high kinetic dmg units, not only F class, Ruby and Taumaline, we got other like H.Galleon, Hercules, G class, most of the Starbase and many more OR even other like Pike, Pyth, R.Schooner n so on. [/quote]

You`ve looked at those ships... right? Galleon is well under 50% Dmg/PR, schooner is even less... pike has less than 50% kinetic Dmg/PR, same with pyth, herc is around 25%... and G.CLASS?!?!?!?!? You`re bringing up G.CLASS for a high Dmg/PR? Are you on freaking CRACK?

The flysch can kill the old emp because the flysch is a good ship and the emp just sucks.

The point of shields is to REDUCE DAMAGE, not ELIMINATE DAMAGE. You do understand the difference, right? Ships like the t.ryujin, hercules, strafez... they have damage immunity. Even the nirvana is pretty freaking difficult to kill without resorting to chemical damage.

Shields shouldn`t be designed to make a ship able to stand up to two to three times its own PR in ships... they should be designed to make things work differently.

No retal is a good idea for the T.Empereur, but I have to say... I can`t support you giving THAT much anti kinetic when kinetic and energy are mainstays of almost every race. I`m fine with the OCCASIONAL radical ship (like the hercules) having a kinetic killer, but when you look at the races, energy and kinetic are almost exclusively what is easily accessible. You cannot just throw out ANOTHER terran ship to kill kinetic like that. This emp you are proposing would be a collective rape machine, ESPECIALLY with that hull. Total damage over 50%, hull around 135%... a pretty strong ship already. Then you give it near immunity to queens (the number one anti-capital-ship fighter there is) AND devastate the ability of the majority of ships to be effective? The mods I made on the shield still give it a powerful place in the terran fleet, but the goal here is NOT to make a game breaker, it is to fix up a worthless ship.

D DrunkenMasters

11/05/2007 · 01:45 PM #30

...if Kalieum is attacking. Well said, Deiloche. I think we should make you admin :) I vote for you.

T ThePansy

11/05/2007 · 01:00 PM #29

*sigh... what do u mean kalium lose to queen...

the only way that could maaaaybe happen is on aggressive stance if he is defending

C Cynthelion

11/05/2007 · 11:37 AM #28

Leave the Empereur as a kludge. Terrans have fine ships... it`s a good little quirk to have tis one nearly useless ship.

Plus one Emp still works great for pwning small newbie fleets when you`re a slaver or a semi-new player.

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