Collectives.

brigs are pretty strong on offense, but they`re also expensive in turns too. Plus, they can die easy too if you attack em on agressive with something besides hercs :P

it`s really funny when you put em on top tho because people think "oh, hercs kill collective ships easy" and then they`re muttering curses when that her spam runs smack into brigs and die instantly :D

Of course you could lead with queens, but that`s risky too given all the other ships collective have that eat strafez for breakfast :D

The point i wanna make zeneth is a chalanger for virals not stronger than virals weak yes but have to get scouts for collective come on and remove the plunder 2 0 it will own some virals giving some pple chance against virals and put the plunder rate of 200 to 200 industry and 0 plunder to make industry collective and itt will get kinda interresting

lol i love everyones complaining, last month it was viral, this month collective, if u all learnt to stack :P ud still beat the spammers. hehe

Listen, brig is one of the most powerful and possibly (dare I say that?) most imbalanced ship in the game.

We have a lot of as.s kicking ships now.

good point but still even this spamming is really getting just worse...

why not do away with spam ships? put the game back on track with stacking like this game use to be about

Instead of giving collective the ability to explore, why not take away viral scouts?

But thanks to the improvements to barks and galleons, and the addition of the brig, no to mention enhanced capturing ability, collectives are actually much more fun. Plus, collectives now rival virals in unpredictability.

CC> huh, not agian...

not to mention P class. Pike almost kill everyrace ships in defensive, not only for Miner.

Garuda wasnt that great. Miner got too much units to kill Garuda. th eonly advantage on garuda would be the range :)

Aragonite is a weak ship. yes, u should try the T.Empereur

not only Miner, almost every race have the hard time to deal with D.Angel, Nirvana n other. Queen wont work as most of attacker will just attackw ith careful.

agree, Pyth almost kill every race, but again, not killing the Miner only

lmao, u can use enegry to kill Angel if u know what u r doing. every race can use F class too.

not only Miner, Terran have alot junks with slow build rate too.

plus all of above, not only Miner have the hard time to deal with Viral. every races facing the same problem even Virals themselve. anyway, M.Flysch a range 7 with 3 dmg serve as multi role ship at 50mil pr, just like Nirvana at 50mil pr. both of them wont work well too :)

Uninfect sounds good.
collectives is getting fun. im liking it on ultra :).
the collective ships ownnnn. like all out ownn. i love em since im a aggressive stacker usually.

Please, no collective scouts. That`s silly.

Give us uninfect instead :D

dont forget the game-dominating lictor..... lol

Garuda hit our one starbase pretty well

Pike wins on Defense vs nearly vs all A.miner ships.
only 2 ships can win on Defense. Chlorite & C. Tarus (& thats an even match)

Garuda flanks a good bit of A.miner ships. with Shield modifers for A.miner vs the Guarda we lose to mostly like the Pike

Aragonite is to weak of a ship period. if i stack it that is rare

only good Anti Big ship to use is for D.angel Nirvana & Jugg are Queen.

Pyth have a few weakness but only if attacked first... if they attack on careful lol there goes everything

D.angel... put it this way 7 range is pretty killer with the Kentic & the ship modifiers considering A.miner only have Energy & Missile ships for good heavy support firepower. D.Angel has Energy & Missile shields & kinda make all those ships useless.

A.miner have to slow of a build rate to keep up at all with alot of these ships.

plus on top of everything else... A.miner still have a hard time taking down Viral starbases. at high power... Flysch is the only good ship that can do an alright job but if your climing the ranks over 50 mil power with just Flysch its kinda hard to say your going to live long with someone above you

k he said that but i am adding that collectives should be 0 plunder and exploration should happen with collective so that they are a challlange for virals

TY Ishamael for pointing out A.miner suck stil lol

TIP everyone if you see an A.miner

Pike D.Angel Pyth Jugg Nirvana T.Guarnda P.class spam us cause we lose that way pretty well all the time lol...

ya so if exploring is allowed virals have an incredible challange

so they can challange the virals

yeah they do and thats main advantage of collectives giving them ability to explore will be something uc ppl would do O.o

collectives are one of those fun races when u just play for fun and not for a reason of taking over gc O.o ..leave that to virals

yup and virals cant reverse enginner the collective they can only tarren aspha and maurders

have you seen the collective ships recently? They pwn everything