guard update

Gilead in any decent player dream actually...Miner can PWN guard pretty easy...only when miner know the stack...or else bleh...dead miner

miner should pawn Guard? in what dream was that????

people are free to disagree with what i say maybe if a few more people commented before the updates then people would have less to complain about now most of gc dont even bother to comment on changes at all

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I didnt mean to mention missile as they have a few of those but the only ship that is just kinetic is aragonite and i never said anything about range

AGM94 you must be tripping. Mclass for aminer are missies. and they have dam good range.

miner actually have a few ships that are quite good against guard but i think their biggest weakness is that pretty much all m class use energy attack which cant touch guard.

I think it would be good if any miner update changes some attack types so that they have more ships doing kinetic or missile attack(dont want to see lots of ships with 3 different attacks though either. This will make them fight better overall and give them more options

Boost epidote absorption shield to around 50% this will mean that its pretty good against ruby and tourm wont be able to beat g class still but could beat ruby tourm

will test ideas now before saying anything else

and parasite i think species was moaning about guard g class being better than miners g class so think he was actually supporting all of you

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species382 you think miner are easy now? you think cause those junk G clbehind got a nice boost that miner kick serious behind now? cmon...learn to play tax miner and tell me after... G clbehind is far from being the god that you think. You should go tax miner and maybe cry AFTER. You realize that Guard dont consume food? you realize that guard kick miner behind when they attacking/spamming 3 big ships? You realize that miner DONT have anything to counter Guard ruby/tourm/li spam without being worried to wipe themself...? The only thing we can use to wipe tourm and hunli is Lyth...BUT lyth vs ruby...on defence(ruby on defence) goodbye lyth...ruby eat them... I don`t think you tried the miner..at least not tax...tax miner are rare...stop crying about guard...and think about miner...they got nothing but defense power....we need attack as well...or else we got a huge counter list...but cant use them...

by the way...

Miner are still weak...

Parasite.

I never complained about the new lictor or said it should be nerfed i just dont think the best way forward is to weaken all other ships because miner ships are weak. If we go for the nerfing option straight away everytime this will just end up like uc.

Miner ships need to be worked on more i agree but i still think that every ship needs at least 1 weakness i dont think ships should have all positive shields.

Several things:

1.) Maraudian, wasnt guardian on the one side supposed to be a hard race, and on the other side, is there anybody, who choosed guard surprised, that he has high base pr?

2.) AGM94,who has more chances to sustain a herc spam? Guards or miners... In general, the main thing whats bothers me here is, that it seems, that it is preatty much common to use different ways of measurement for differrent races. The new lictor got nerfed, because several people considered it overpowered, and so it was nerfed. The new Quartz exceed the unnerfed lictor in any way, but several people still claim G.class is weak. Well the Quarz is weak if your ship standart is the type of ruby.....

Guardian is the only race forced to have a big power rating if they wish to make a small income

ruby and tourm didnt get touched...

guard is not the only race that can have big base pr...

maybe my memory has failed me but for as long as i remember tourm was range 4 so nothing has changed with that.

the g and l class ships have been improved a little enough to mean that some of them can be used in a stack but that they will pretty much still be killed on agg by all the ships that used to kill them.

ruby and tourm could only be nerfed if guard ships were moved to a more even lvl then they are now(not saying make them as strong as ruby/tourm) but if they were also weakened atm guards would be beaten so much easier and no one would bother be a guard (high base pr low income and small colony limit)

overall with the changes i think they are still pretty balanced especially as k class isnt really that good and li is the only guard ship that can cope with herc at all on any stance at even pr(everyone will probably point out queens but that can be beaten by herc on careful and i am often hit by spammers on careful, queens is also not realistic above a few mil pr)

Well, did you expect something different? Ruby, tourm and Li are the ueber-attack-ships. Now the L. and G.class are reasonable defence ships (but by defending you dont grow reasonalbe), even so not as ueber as the usual tripple-combo. Therefore the standart way to play guard is still spmaming the usual, and that will not changed as long as:
1.) an update makes G and L class as ueber as ruby and tourm or
2.) one nerfes ruby and tourm...
The first posibilirty would kill the game completely, the second posibility is also unrealistic since many paying customers will complain, that guards are sooooo weak, since they already have such a huge disadvantage because of their base pr, ....chought chought taxminer cought.....

really?? did not notice.. oni knew that tourm range was very low anyway.. lol..

guard ships were good when i was guard * about like 3 days ago*
i dont think guard needs any updates really