guard update

yep , kusari hit a nail on the head

there are hundreds of players who spam there favourite / best ships

regardless of the race

Maraudians so totally dont Spam pyth

marauders do though :p

I played guard for quite awhile and I honesty don`t see what all the fus is about. Guardian is fine, the problem is most people only see the negative sheild mods and never bother to look at the massive hulls that most guard ships have.

As for spamming, it is a fact of life. Instead of whining about it, adjust your stacks.

As I mentioned, I`m still too young as a guardian to state anything as a fact ... and you make valid points indeed - I have only learned to expect Pyth spams from Maraudians and Ruby spams from Guardians in the slower servers.

So maybe in the future I`ll get income to use those other ships properly ... heck, I woudn`t mind the race to be even more hard, but just trying to point out that from my perspective (as a starting guardian in turn based server) the economy of the guardian race _may_ force a player to spam or to be a punching bag for quite some time, with or without new ships ... or with or without nerfing some ships.

(currently calculator is my best friend when playing my slow server guardian and stacking may be based on what I can afford to buy from the markets - and I`m loving it - one emerald is worth the income of quite many turns .. and with my high base power that ship is probably lost in the first battle - low upkeep is great, if the fleet isn`t wiped out in regular basis :)

i reli like that idea actualy
instead of making stronest/ weakest race just make the races go round in a circle

as in
miners are weak to terrens and virals
terrens are weak to virals and marus
virals are weak to gaurds and collective
collective are weak to marus and gaurds
gaurds are weak to miners and terrens
marus are weak to miners

i no this would never happen but its just such a nice idea XD

well of course nerfing ruby and tourm would not prevent spamming entirely, but if you have such a ship collection available, that the most efficient fleet you can build from that is a spam, then this is an additional encouragement to spam, isnt it?

O.o I was supposed to say that guardians are meant to be hard ...

fermion - I guess you made my point in there. Is it really more difficult to spam with other races - I mean, nerfing ruby / tourm won`t reduce spamming as there are spammers in other races too ... just the weapon of choice in changed. In my opinion the reason why guardian spam more may lie in other race characteristics ...

guardian is hard?

(just testing some new ships, therfore no classical ruby/tourm spam)
fermion`s fleet
G.Quartz Frigate 9 1 8
XXXX fleet
R.Schooner Destroyer 96 24 72
H.Galleon Destroyer 79 14 65
R.Sloop Frigate 40 0 40
H.Brigantine Frigate 66 0 66
R.Pinnace Corvette 43 0 43

I still young as a guardian, but have to say my two cents - the new G and L class are fine _defensively_, but if I use G class in any place other that as a ram, I tend to lose when attacking and if I use L class, I have to strip mine quite much to fund my campaigns (which is tedious in slower servers). I haven`t spammed so far, but the `laws of the game` may just turn me into a spammer - so it may (strongly emphasized) just be that guardians are still forced to concentrate their resources to the best ships they have ... nerfing ruby and tourm could just change the weapon of choice, but it doesn`t necessarily remove spamming.

And, yes, guarsians are a hard race and liking it ;) ...

Hiigarans, on one side, you basically follow my argumentation that guards will spam as long as ruby and tourm are the killers, on the other side, you basically recommend only a cosmetic change of the shields....

Further, having 1 hull per pr and 4 positive shields as the lictor had is fully equivalent to the Quarz, which has some small negative shield modifiers, but 2+ Hull per pr! There again is this distinction, what is too good for miners is just right for guards.... :-(

oh yeah, just like AGM say, a ship should have atleast 1 weakness. all positive shield will just encourage ppl spam as it is harder to die when encounter most of the situations

that`s y i dont like the new Lictor much in early. but, the current shield is better. Lictor is fall under the G class, i will happy to see it will have major weakness on kinetic and minor on missile just like other G class, so to Livir.

lmao, what theory was that? Guardian should pawn Viral, Viral should pawn Terran n so on. i would say, Guardian have more advantage when killing Viral, so to other races when encounter the other. there is nothing call `should pawn`, this is GC not the UC, the main solution to encounter is using correct ships. of course, dont mention if a ship was unbalance or overpowered.

well, talk about the nerfe on Ruby n Taurmaline, i still think that a minor nerfe on Ruby n Taurmaline energy shield n ECM will be good, prehaps 5% - 10%, make thier weakness more obvoius when encounter those energy dmg like T.Garuda, M.Epidote n other missile ships.

well, just to reply this thread, after the new update for Guardian ship list, i had face 4 incoming attackers, 2 of them are Guardians, the stacking is still the same as usual which is Ruby / Taurmaline / Hun-Li spam.

just my thaught, Guardians complain that only 3 ships were good while the rest were junk since long time ago. so, a new update to adjust the G n L class to make the ships better. somehow, Guardian still feel that those 3 ships still better n refuse to use the new G n L class. what`s the point for the update now? prehaps, a minor shield nerfe on Ruby n Taurmaline will be good, just a minor nerfe. also, just my thaught.

unfortunately even changing guard to be perfectly balanced wouldnt make everyone stack. most people will continue to spam just look at virals they have a good chance to pick whatever ships they want to stack but very few do.

And btw, DrKsTgUaRdIaN i dont think miners should it have easy to attack guards.

All i would wish for is, that miners could (with the same amount of turns) build a fleet, which can win a defence against all other races out there, that can win against a ruby/herc/borelly/pyth spam on carefull, or against a balanced terran/viral fleet, of course either or, not a single fleet, which does both.

However, just look how `friendly` several people got as the new starbases were introduced, which made it possible for miner to defend against the "98%-3-colony-gainer" borry/pike/garuda combo on aggressive.

I would basically like to see that people consider it twice to attack miner. I have seen it far too often, that a even fedwar enemies were ignored, just to get an easy win against a miner....

Parasite, you preach to the choir ;-)

I just wantet to point out, that as long as ruby and tourm are not nerfed, as long will be spamming and not stacking the usual way of being guard.

I`ve not noticed much change personally -- going in on aggr (attacking guard) it`s pretty much the same.
emmy`s are still worthless, but sure new G class aren`t too bad.

It`s still not worth attacking on aggr balanced 10 AS guard because of the lack of range.

i.e. what has changed, I think its been for the better. But overall, there`s not been much change.