Suggested~ship_race_build_rate

OP 05/03/2007 · 11:55 AM #1

i want to see what people think of this... plus Degrade D.Angel to a bit maybe

Pyth is way to strong when spammed on careful

D.Angel i just dont like the Kentic on it

New G Jugg... um hate to say it... but it doesnt react well with missiles anymore... in fact it sucks kinda more then it use to...

Also i think A.miner should get a 150%+ build rate on all ships under Battleship....

seriously it cost way to much & to much time to even fight someone with PIKE... i mean up high... points at chess from CC... he loves me & i love him... back to the point

A.miner can not power up fast unless we use sucky ships

***really now in days in this game.... Spamming big & fast power ships is the thing to do***

also along with a few other good ships... he plus i was also thinking... someone disagreed with me earlier... but give A.miner P class like Terran have... it would give somewhat of an edge here & there with stacking & attacking... plus flanking...

S Seifer

08/03/2007 · 01:23 PM #21

*laughs at the viral-turned-miner spammer

A Ang3l0fDeathOP

08/03/2007 · 01:18 PM #20

AvianFlu attacked you. Attack was successful !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
AvianFlu`s fleet
Pyth Battleship 226 45 181
Strafez Queen 1 1 0
Large Strafez Runner 1 1 0
C.Gemini Frigate 1 1 0
Large Strafez Fodder 1 1 0
F.Axe Frigate 1 1 0
Small Strafez Runner 1 1 0
Light Corvette Corvette 2 2 0
Small Strafez Fodder 1 1 0
C.Aries Corvette 1 1 0
Ang3l0fDeath`s fleet
M.Illite Frigate 3,205 3,205 0
M.Flysch Battleship 80 80 0
M.Chlor Cruiser 340 199 141
M.Epidote Destroyer 600 600 0
M.Chlorite Destroyer 450 0 450
M.Calcite Cruiser 320 0 320
A.Kryo Starbase 6 0 6
M.Lyth Dreadnought 12 0 12
M.Lakko Starbase 35 0 35
A.Hoko Starbase 37 0 37

Colonies Captured
Name Type Land Size
E.6990 Marshy 71

this is the the type of spam im always getting from viral... not Maru heck where did the maru go lol

You counter-attacked AvianFlu. Attack was successful !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
Ang3l0fDeath`s fleet
M.Chlorite Destroyer 450 450 0
M.Calcite Cruiser 320 320 0
M.Lyth Dreadnought 12 0 12
A.Aragonite Dreadnought 60 0 60
Strafez Queen 300 0 300
M.Chlor Cruiser 141 141 0
Large Strafez Runner 500 0 500
Small Strafez Runner 480 0 480
AvianFlu`s fleet
Pyth Battleship 181 151 30
C.Gemini Frigate 1 1 0
F.Axe Frigate 1 1 0
Light Frigate Frigate 1 1 0
C.Aries Corvette 1 1 0
Kohoutek Scout 1 1 0
Light fighter-drone Fighter 2 2 0

Colonies Captured
Name Type Land Size
E.6990 Marshy 71
X.8203 Balanced 226
E.4270 Marshy 62

i counter attacked with what i had left but this bugs me still

A armenia4ever

08/03/2007 · 06:11 AM #19

yea a miner build rates suck.. youd hit someone, theyd build up in secs and then nail you with their counters,....

i just restarted as collective, ude to kurkyvinkas killing all of my money and resources... only like a month of hard work as a miner down th drain...

S species382

06/03/2007 · 04:42 PM #18

"f ur unable.... go terran."

isnt that a little bit a fatalistic point of view? What is wrong about discussing possible improvements of the game?

And there are lots of improvements necessary, starting from viral upkeep of marauder ships down to the G.Quartz , which exceed even the old un-nerfed lictor in any possible way.....

E EvilAbadayos

06/03/2007 · 10:03 AM #17

geeze...with all the updates everyone is moaning...

miner is FINE THE WAY IT IS

if ur unable tobattle with them or dontlike the build rates, you have picked the wrong race, go terran.

angel and pyth need the upkeep change once they are RE`ed by virals. NOT some silly stat nerfing as that then screws the MAIN RACE THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR!!!!

if u want the advantage of the small destroyers and cruisers and below, be prepared to spend the time building up the stacks of them. if u dont have the time do a spam anbd be called a spammer newbie. your choice.

just cos u find it hard, doesnt mean it needs fixing. get used to the race, get used to the ships and most importantly get used to the time it will take u to build the stacks to the PR u wish to fight at

A Ang3l0fDeathOP

06/03/2007 · 06:06 AM #16

i think Maru D.Angel & Pyth should get down graded

DraconianParadise
see my point it everything except for Queen is really to cheap to build over 20 mil power of.... but if a viral cause i never see a maru up that high normally... but careful attack Queen with Pyth & Wipe out the queen....

Pike i dont have an issue with its a good ship...

A.miner starbases yes they do great... still one of the main ships i ever see people use is Pyth to hit down the starbases is im not mistaken... Pyth has way to much power... Pyth is = to a Nirvana but way to cheap... if it cost as much as an Nirvana i dont think people would build 20 mil power of them all the time....

P class for A.miner was just a Cool idea i wish we had.. heck but if you Degrade Maru ships Maru would die out... but heck Maru dont use these ships much anymore

Maybe take Maru ships away from Viral & get viral 1 to 3 more ships... heck all they got is 1 starbase which kinda sucks now & a Destory which still does good

T Tauren

06/03/2007 · 12:55 AM #15

Lictors are great if used right wich xing not-smart counter maru with lictors?

U UberPansy

06/03/2007 · 12:27 AM #14

The Lictor has a place lower down in a stack but it is awful for the role it needs to fill: some kind of answer to the incredible terran/maru cap ships high up in a stack.

M Maraudian

05/03/2007 · 07:49 PM #13

<3 the old piranha

M Maraudian

05/03/2007 · 07:48 PM #12

Marauder are meant to be strong

* boring yet godlike voice *

S species382

05/03/2007 · 06:15 PM #11

Haha, Seifer, thats a good one.

With the flysh you build effectively 12k dammage per round, that equals a single Tyr or beats the dammage-related build rate of f.sword closely. With Flysh you can at best spam, but on turn based servers you dont have the turns to build up a high-pr fleet which gives you reliably 3 colonies. The Lyth is a ship with decent build rate, but the lictor again does way to few dammage per turn, that it can not compete with Nirvas, Pyth or angles on equal turn base...

S Seifer

05/03/2007 · 05:45 PM #10

lyth flysch lictor. there you go

S species382

05/03/2007 · 05:43 PM #9

The argument with countering would only work, if miners would have at least several
ship with a build rate, that is inversely higher as the suckyness of the ships.

V Virology

05/03/2007 · 05:29 PM #8

Miners are filthy rich... get on your sb`s and counter high.. *yawn*

F freakn

05/03/2007 · 04:57 PM #7

Peopel don`t like the pyth? should have seen the old Baracuda and Piranah ... those things were gods. D class and tiger weren`t even made yet.

S SplinterCell

05/03/2007 · 03:27 PM #6

if you degrade maru ships to weaken virals your gunna turn gc to uc and no1 wants that

A AvianFlu

05/03/2007 · 01:11 PM #5

agrees with Hiigarans and walks off...

( gives AngelOfDeath a beer )

H Hiigarans

05/03/2007 · 12:31 PM #4

forgot 1 more...

yes, i know build rate is suk
- not only Miner, all the races will have hard time to build those ships which are Cruiser class and below. if u rise the build rate, it might ruin other Battleships or above

H Hiigarans

05/03/2007 · 12:29 PM #3

yes, i know Pyth n Angel r strong.
- `Marauder mean to be strong.` that`s what u will get from Maruadian later

yes, i know new Lictor suk.
- all the G class have the main weakness on kinetic now. missile is no longer the main weakness. but missile still can do some dmg to G class.

yes, i know Pike is hard to be killed.
- in defensive, ur Destroyer should be able to stop it unless u r building all capital ships. forget the offensive, none of any ship can kill it easily beside P class.

yes, i know Miner got suky ships.
- Terran got alot sucky ships too. with the new update, Miner already get alot advantage on ship. so, Terran should allow to say: `hey, we got a lot suky ships too, can we improve or get some new ships?`

yes, i know ppl spam alot.
- no doubt, spam is a way of stacking, and i m not encouraging. i dont like spam too. anyway, u need to spam sometimes, especially counter spamming.

yes, i know Miner will love to have P class.
- what`s the point that Miner have it? make Miner become more offensive? i saw some thread mention about range 10 Cholrite, that`s a joke. a better version of Zeus?

AND, yes, i know any of ur suggestion which mentioned above will ruin the race balance at the end. so, case closed

D DraconianParadise

05/03/2007 · 12:10 PM #2

LOL

I can think of a few comments, i agree that Virals at high pr spam alot of Maru ships, its cheap. It has been constantly pointed up that the upgrade shld be changed to balance the game i believe a ratio of 0.8 pr/upkeep was agreed fair

Maybe your answer would be to hit first? or if you don;t have the ships to reply ( not that anyone does to a complete careful pyth spam) then drop pr and rebuild, or if you know thats what they;re spamming (pretty easy to see from pr jumps) build queens ,flysch to anticipate pyth, angel

Pike is a SLOW ship to build, thats because its a destroyer which have SLOW build rates lol,ffs use Chlorite or Chlor or even flysch spam them on careful, or use livids !

I remind you with the update lictors are pretty good now to spam lol ( as for the missile weakness , boohoo, welcme to the world of having a real Jugg that has a weak spot lol), also your bases rock as your still primarily DEFENSIVE , due to your awesome income mods

And as for wanting P class, WHY ? You have M. Class, unless your desperate to beat lakkos lol with their uber range, but spamming big hull ships on careful is much cheaper anyway

So... all in all... no

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