Proposed Lyth Update

bump it up

miner can BARELY keep up with guard with lyth...just barely. and its only really good in defense...not offense. ruby pwnz it in both tho. tourm isn`t as troublesome, but since ruby is better and build faster whats the guard gunna build? :\ also, whats the guard gunna hit on? careful. which would thusly take the usefulness of the range advantage the lyth had and throw it out of the window.

Hiig: with all the alteration, and mutations and counter proposals concerning the changes of the L and G class, I am not sure what ships will be usefull to attack Guards with.... I guess I will have to wait untill the `updaters` post a final proposal, or wait untill they have executed the update...

of course if you build destroyers you have more weapon-pr (and probably hull-pr), but if a guard builds a handfull of turns of Guard ships, its pretty hard to catch up with destroyers..... that was the reason (at least that was what I understood of this whole thread) to propose range 7 for Lyth..... with Lyth a A.Miner can keep up with a Guard....

hmm, the shield need to be lower for range 7 Lyth? how about E: 20, K: -25, M: 25, C: -45?

Gilead> Lyth with range 6 can be done if the shield mod is better. as long as the Lyth had been improved, i dont think we need a `too good` Lyth which might ruin other ships like Flysch, A.Aragonite n other Miner ships.

also, u shouldnt need a ship to be a Guardian killer (missile ships?) for Miner. with the new L n G class come in, missile is no longer a best way to deal with.

anyway, quick pr? i bet some ppl forgot that the less pr u had, the more dmg + hull u get per pr. u can have the old Lyth which was a high pr missile ship to if u still want a quick build, then there is no point to propose Lyth update.

I kindof saee the point that a range 7 Lyth would become an agressive ship and would maybe not suit the general idea of Miners....

but if we keep Lyth at 6, we still haven`t solved the problem this thread started out with.... namely that A.Miner dont have a quick PR build missile ship that outranges a good number of Guard ships.....

the lyth is already better than the garnet (best of guard L class)
better mods
better attack:pr and hull:pr
better build rate (lol)
sure upkeep is high -- but for miner income (10-20mil/turn easy with mineral sell) it`s comparable

Raising range to 7 would be a nightmare ...

I don`t think the range 6 defeats the guardian ruby/tourmaline.

I think the 7 range is better, but the nerfs don`t hurt it too much. Pull down the shields some more?

Both ships are pretty good, not overpowering or anything.

also, range 7 Lyth will make Miner more immue on Strafez. i dont like that too. Strafez will be come less useful. i dont wish to strenght up a race n kil the other :(

my opinion on the new Lyth.

Lyth with range 7:
it is more offensive. of course, the ships cost n upkeep will be HIGHER. but, with the HIGHER pr + LESS hull + NO DEFENSE + NERFED sheild mod, they r not really god-liked, i already test it out. most of the ships still can beat it. but, it is hard to kill thise Lyth due to its RANGE increased.

i not really like a range 7 Lyth. of course, if majority go to range 7, this will be an example for reference.

Lyth with range 6:
i highly recommanded this mod on the Lyth. as u can see, alot LESS pr with the same hull + MORE weapon + BETTER shield mod, it can withstand more incoming penalty now. the cost n upkeep will slightly REDUCE.

dont tell me it cant beat Ruby, it just like the Nirvana which cant kill Ruby n some range 7 ships but this Lyth better than the old version, balance, and suit for most situation just like Nirvana.

Name M.Lyth
Class Dreadnought
Weapon 15,500
Energy Damage 3,500
Kinetic Damage 0
Missile Damage 12,000
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 35,000
Range 6
Scanner rating 1,000
Power rating 29,280

Ship Specials
No Retaliation

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 35 %
Absorption Shield - 25 %
ECM + 45 %
Ionized Hull - 40 %

i still prefer Lyth with range 6. more defensive which will more suit for Miner.

Name M.Lyth
Class Dreadnought
Weapon 15,500
Energy Damage 3,500
Kinetic Damage 0
Missile Damage 12,000
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 32,000
Range 7
Scanner rating 2,000
Power rating 33,535

Ship Specials
No Retaliation
No Defense

Ship Attributes Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 30 %
Absorption Shield - 30 %
ECM + 30 %
Ionized Hull - 45 %

grr, i hate the battlesim now. i cant directly copy enitre ship designer chatsheet n paste here.

seriosuly, i agree that range 7 Lyth will make Miner more ofefnsive.

just wait awhile for me to post another range 6 Lyth data.

i gonna post the new Lyth on both range 7 n 6 later. just give me soemtime to copy :)

range 7 for lyth will make it too much of a killership which really doesn`t suit a.miner race, besides it already has flysh & arag at 7

just my thaught, , i still prefer the new Lyth stay with range 6 without no defense + shield mod E: 40, K: -25, M: 25, C: -45.

the reason is: range 7 Lyth will become a ship which is more offensive and wasnt suit to Miner as a peaceful race.

of course, if the majority go to range 7, i have no comment too. i will still stick with my Miner empire on other servers :)

lyths only need range 7 nothing else changed the ship is fine, the mods are right to combine with the other aminer ships

The new livid is alright --- it`s better than the agate anyways

Um yeah the lyth seems alright -- it`s not much better than the old since people used to just lyth spam, but no-defense weakens that a bit.

*shrugs*

i think improving G livid & GL(r) would be better o:)

well, the second set of shield mod is for the range 6 Lyth, but i post it out for refrence :)

ok, IMO, this is what the new range 7 Lyth look like, for me only :)

Name M.Lyth
Class Dreadnought
Weapon 15,500 (15,000)
Energy Damage 3,500 (3,000)
Kinetic Damage 0
Missile Damage 12,000
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 32,000 (35,000)
Range 7 (6)
Scanner rating 2,000 <- keep it for pr adjust later
Power rating 33,535 (33,780)

Cost per unit 318,681 (289,710) 10% increased
Upkeep 43,247 (48,052) 10% less decreased

1 turn produces 3

Mineral Required
Terran Metal 300
Red Crystal 300
White Crystal 300
Rutile 950
Composite 200 (150)
Strafez Organism 0


Ship Specials
No Retaliation
No Defense (None)

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield +30% | +40% | (+35%)
Absorption Shield -30% | -25% | (-35%)
ECM +30% | +25% | (+35%)
Ionized Hull -40% | -45% | (-35%)

*Note:
the value in (*) is the data before modifired.
the shield mod got 2 sets which were seperated with the ` | ` symbols

Hiigarans: range 7 with slightly modified shields and `no defense`, maybe a little less hull... sounds good

I wouldn`t change the weapons, or swap them. As said at the start of this thread, making Lyth range 7 would make it good against Guardian ships... if you then take missile damagae away, it leaves the Lyth useless against Guard ships again.... and the energy weapons make it at least a bit usefull against Hercs (certainly not make it Kinetic). And giving it 3 kinds of weapons wold make it too good probably....