well, we`ve had lictor livid hoko and lakko a bit now.
Responses?
Personally, I think hoko range is too high -- only energy weak and range 10.
Lictor is overpowered, but others look better =)
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ArchaeoptyrexOP
Miner updates, responses?
Started by Archaeoptyrex
· 23/02/2007 · 02:21 AM
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and i forgot, the C.Cancer does the same on aggressive....
Terrans: Herc beats Lakko and Hoko on aggressive from 10% under-power
Marauder: Baracuda beats Lakko and Hoko on aggressive from 10% under-power
Collective: H.Galleon beats Lakko and Hoko on aggressive from 5% and 20% respective under-power
And your point is? Ok, that are not annihilating attacks but well over 80% total dammage. That should satisfy you or?
Furthermore, be careful what you are requesting! How many ships do miners have to attack Pikes on aggressive, or what about H.Galleons? Anyone?
So let me summarize, first your statements are rather unprecise, then you only complain instead of making constructive contributions, and on top of that, you get unpolite. That makes 100 points. :-(
Marauder: Baracuda beats Lakko and Hoko on aggressive from 10% under-power
Collective: H.Galleon beats Lakko and Hoko on aggressive from 5% and 20% respective under-power
And your point is? Ok, that are not annihilating attacks but well over 80% total dammage. That should satisfy you or?
Furthermore, be careful what you are requesting! How many ships do miners have to attack Pikes on aggressive, or what about H.Galleons? Anyone?
So let me summarize, first your statements are rather unprecise, then you only complain instead of making constructive contributions, and on top of that, you get unpolite. That makes 100 points. :-(
err species so hard to understand that all races have to be able to have at least one ship that can hit on agressive the other race ship and take it down from either under power or very very close power, thats what stacking all about
So whats the plan? A reduction of range as requested by DK solves the prob, but degrades the sbs again as popcorn loosing against everything, including destroyers.
That can definitely NOT be the sollution, and here i can not find another constructive suggestion :-(.
Just the opposite is the case: a ship, with high hull and low range and low damage (the new lictor) is also hatred. If you follow the storyline, that miners should deal low dammage, than it seems, that the posters here alow for miners only ships/bases with low hull, low dammage and low range....
Isnt that a little bit very poor.
That can definitely NOT be the sollution, and here i can not find another constructive suggestion :-(.
Just the opposite is the case: a ship, with high hull and low range and low damage (the new lictor) is also hatred. If you follow the storyline, that miners should deal low dammage, than it seems, that the posters here alow for miners only ships/bases with low hull, low dammage and low range....
Isnt that a little bit very poor.
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AGM94
I dont think arch is saying they should all die against all destroyers on agg but if none of them can be killed by destroyers on agg where is the point in stacking?
instead you just get 2 or 3 capital ships and spam on careful as you cant beat the sbs by hitting agg with destroyers
instead you just get 2 or 3 capital ships and spam on careful as you cant beat the sbs by hitting agg with destroyers
Archaeoptyrex, why?
lictor is not op
just plug it into battle calc
most none energy ships on arg beat it
ones to take note of = angel tyr bor (most missle ships for that point actualy)
just plug it into battle calc
most none energy ships on arg beat it
ones to take note of = angel tyr bor (most missle ships for that point actualy)
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ArchaeoptyrexOP
no ... species.
SB`s should lose to destroyers on aggr.
*sighs*
SB`s should lose to destroyers on aggr.
*sighs*
DarckKnight, i realy dont get it. You argue, that the miner starbases are too heavy, since the aggression potential of miner ships suck? Is there realy an agrument inside?
And of course, you will still see the flysh lyth spams, since you can not get planets with starbases, and also miners have only limited turns.
I am willing to understand, so can you rephrase your posting? Do it like Archaeoptyrex, who now explicitly states, that he wishes starbases, which loss against all ships on all attack modes..... ;-> (caution, irony)
And of course, you will still see the flysh lyth spams, since you can not get planets with starbases, and also miners have only limited turns.
I am willing to understand, so can you rephrase your posting? Do it like Archaeoptyrex, who now explicitly states, that he wishes starbases, which loss against all ships on all attack modes..... ;-> (caution, irony)
and by the way i only think lakkos range is the one that needs to be droped down cause hokkos hull is lower and killable by high range energy ships
species382 before you try to teach me if miners were popcorn or not , i sugest you get yourself 500 planets and fight to protect them with 180 turns against virals, using pikes borrs chirons and all sort of balanced stack and try to hit it in agressive and so that you get the so needed 3 borders, you'll see how much that is fun with the atack/PR miner ships have
starbases not gonna change that, they still are popcorn i still see the same flysh lyth spams and now add the livids and lictors yay you got their new stacks so they can be able to steal one or 2 colonies!!!
now go test how many miner ships kill strafez offense and defense
now go test the so called small 50k power per turn in slower turn based servers
well if you do now that they are only spaming lakkos and hokos of course you can hit them in agressive with the nirvs hercs tyrs pyths you just said, but i would like to know who actually hits on agressive with only one tyr spam or herc or pyths lol O.o
starbases not gonna change that, they still are popcorn i still see the same flysh lyth spams and now add the livids and lictors yay you got their new stacks so they can be able to steal one or 2 colonies!!!
now go test how many miner ships kill strafez offense and defense
now go test the so called small 50k power per turn in slower turn based servers
well if you do now that they are only spaming lakkos and hokos of course you can hit them in agressive with the nirvs hercs tyrs pyths you just said, but i would like to know who actually hits on agressive with only one tyr spam or herc or pyths lol O.o
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ArchaeoptyrexOP
but yes. species
Ships *should* lose on aggr. from destroyers.
Again I point you back to the old chiron and why there were so many complaints. Remember that basically you were forced to build pyth/nirv/flysch and spam on careful, because build rate of chiron was decent (less than these new miner SB`s even!)
--- And even when you had the time/turns you weren`t too successful with da small destroyers vs old chiron because of range 9.
It`s the same problem again.
Ships *should* lose on aggr. from destroyers.
Again I point you back to the old chiron and why there were so many complaints. Remember that basically you were forced to build pyth/nirv/flysch and spam on careful, because build rate of chiron was decent (less than these new miner SB`s even!)
--- And even when you had the time/turns you weren`t too successful with da small destroyers vs old chiron because of range 9.
It`s the same problem again.
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ArchaeoptyrexOP
yeah touche species, apologies
DarckKnight, i also though it would be overpowered before i did some calculations. Now i think, the sbs`s are still rather weak.
The current starbases loose against most ships on carefull and manny ships on normal attack like herc, tyr, but also against the guarda for example, and they loose against many ships on aggressive like the tyr.
So your argument is, that the new starbases should not only loose on carefull and normal attacks, but also on aggressive? Is that, what you want? Well, i personally think, miners were popcorn for long enough....
And well i personally am also not very happy with the lictor, but for different reasons ;-).
And as last point, Archaeoptyrex, if you want to be taken serios, try to avoid beeing insulting, even in indirect ways!
And as very last point, concerning miner uws, you can damage huge piles of lakkos due to retailliation....
The current starbases loose against most ships on carefull and manny ships on normal attack like herc, tyr, but also against the guarda for example, and they loose against many ships on aggressive like the tyr.
So your argument is, that the new starbases should not only loose on carefull and normal attacks, but also on aggressive? Is that, what you want? Well, i personally think, miners were popcorn for long enough....
And well i personally am also not very happy with the lictor, but for different reasons ;-).
And as last point, Archaeoptyrex, if you want to be taken serios, try to avoid beeing insulting, even in indirect ways!
And as very last point, concerning miner uws, you can damage huge piles of lakkos due to retailliation....
i agree Miner should get good Starbase, but i dont wish Miner UW blow us off later or soon with thier superior SB build LOL. range always the problem which might change the entire result of battlefield in 1 shot.
IMO, i agree Miner can get 1 SB has more than range 9 (u can goto 15 like the old Lakko), the rest should stay at 7 or max 8 for Miner ONLY. beside careful attack with capital ships, u still have another choice: use Destroyer to assault on aggressive :)
IMO, i agree Miner can get 1 SB has more than range 9 (u can goto 15 like the old Lakko), the rest should stay at 7 or max 8 for Miner ONLY. beside careful attack with capital ships, u still have another choice: use Destroyer to assault on aggressive :)
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ArchaeoptyrexOP
oops, first comment directed at species
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ArchaeoptyrexOP
DK is right.
Look at the ships you`ve chosen to attack lictor -- all you guys think about is spamming.
It`s now very easy to lose on balanced 10-stack on aggr vs miner because:
1) lictors have too much hull (taking mods into account)
2) range of lakko and esp hoko means that destroyers (supposed to have best range) have difficulty beating em.
For instance, you have been saying these SB have poor attack -- lol
Take the Lakko -- at equal pr of attacking ship, on aggr
garudas, epidotes, pikes lose, zeus`s get wiped without touching as do chlorite (tigers do tiny damage before being wiped second round)
true, borry`s and thors do win, but this is ridiculous. It`s like the chiron all over again, except miners now have 2 SB`s as good as the old chiron.
What you are promoting with the current lictors and SB is idiiotic spamming, not stacking.
This is why the newbs are all like "this is great" and people who *can* stack are hating the range of the new SB`s.
Look at the ships you`ve chosen to attack lictor -- all you guys think about is spamming.
It`s now very easy to lose on balanced 10-stack on aggr vs miner because:
1) lictors have too much hull (taking mods into account)
2) range of lakko and esp hoko means that destroyers (supposed to have best range) have difficulty beating em.
For instance, you have been saying these SB have poor attack -- lol
Take the Lakko -- at equal pr of attacking ship, on aggr
garudas, epidotes, pikes lose, zeus`s get wiped without touching as do chlorite (tigers do tiny damage before being wiped second round)
true, borry`s and thors do win, but this is ridiculous. It`s like the chiron all over again, except miners now have 2 SB`s as good as the old chiron.
What you are promoting with the current lictors and SB is idiiotic spamming, not stacking.
This is why the newbs are all like "this is great" and people who *can* stack are hating the range of the new SB`s.
species382 i wonder if you guys ever think besides spaming? you reallize theres people that actually do some CALCS around here, more than half saying those ranges have to go down and yet they still have same range
now go figure out how many ships kill lictors on AGRESSIVE from under power, you have an ideia yet? NONE means the way you guys think always atacking in carefull and stuff that ship has no other purpose then to be used in spams wich shouldn't be the purpose of this game you want to spam go over to UC
Marauding isn't posting in the forum feedback enough?
bleh learn to know how to look beyond your normal spammy ways
now go figure out how many ships kill lictors on AGRESSIVE from under power, you have an ideia yet? NONE means the way you guys think always atacking in carefull and stuff that ship has no other purpose then to be used in spams wich shouldn't be the purpose of this game you want to spam go over to UC
Marauding isn't posting in the forum feedback enough?
bleh learn to know how to look beyond your normal spammy ways
if you want a.miner to be an excellent defensive race..make em super strong starbases and weak attacking ships but still strong in defense..
one super long range starbase and one low range starbase both hard to beat in any pr..
oh wait i think the updates did all that..
one super long range starbase and one low range starbase both hard to beat in any pr..
oh wait i think the updates did all that..
DarckKnight , i dont think youve gave any feedback , cant fix things without feedback
update isnt finished , when it is finished lictor will probably have a neg / low shield and so on
as for crying over the starbases being too good , they arnt too good , every race has ships that can laugh at them in any atack mode , so learn to beat them rather than complain just because certain things you use dont :/ ( but naturally if enough complain they will be changed )
update isnt finished , when it is finished lictor will probably have a neg / low shield and so on
as for crying over the starbases being too good , they arnt too good , every race has ships that can laugh at them in any atack mode , so learn to beat them rather than complain just because certain things you use dont :/ ( but naturally if enough complain they will be changed )
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