G class For Guardian

M MaraudianOP

OP 22/02/2007 · 06:44 AM #1

Suggested Power Rating`s
G Agate 12k to 12.5k pr
G Amethyst 20k to 22k pr
G Quartz 35k to 38k pr
G Corundum 63k to 68k pr
Flourite 70k to 75k pr
Diamond 130k to 150k pr
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G.Agate
Scanner Rating -500
upkeep -312
Range +2

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield - 30 %
ECM - 20 %
Ionized Hull - 20 %
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G.Amethyst
Scanner Rating -600
Upkeep -396
Range +1

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield - 20%
ECM - 20 %
Ionized Hull - 20 %
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G.Quartz

Scanner Rating -700
upkeep -317

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield - 10 %
ECM - 20 %
Ionized Hull - 20 %
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G.Corundum
Scanner Rating -800
upkeep -308
Rutile cost +10

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield - 40 %
ECM - 20 %
Ionized Hull - 20 %
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G.Fluorite
Scanner Rating -900
Rutile cost +20
upkeep - 318

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield - 30 %
ECM - 20 %
Ionized Hull - 20 %
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G.Diamond

Weapon 20,000
Energy Damage 10,000 ( +3k )
Kinetic Damage 10,000 ( +3k )
Missile Damage 0
Chemical Damage 0

Scanner -1000
upkeep -446
Rutile cost +20

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 80 %
Absorption Shield -40 %
ECM + 30 %
Ionized Hull +15%

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-03-01

K Kusari

23/02/2007 · 06:15 AM #45

Also keep in mind that Guard and Viral tend to balance each other out. If the Guards are going to be tweaked, at least wait until after the viral upkeep is fixed. It`s quite likely that reducing the number of virals spamming D Angel and Tyr will make updating the guards unnecessary.

K Kusari

23/02/2007 · 06:07 AM #44

Personally, I thought the Guardian ships were fine the way they were. My suggestion would be to wait a few months until everyone has adapted to the existing updates, and see if any issues develop. Then the guard ships can be tweaked to remedy the situation.

M MaraudianOP

23/02/2007 · 05:05 AM #43

well alot of other people think range 3 is laughable , range 4 is just aspathetic but still , its up to the feedback

M MaraudianOP

23/02/2007 · 04:31 AM #42

and everyone knows Guardian is meant to be the strongest , Marauder the most agressive , collective 3rd

then viral A miner and terran are all tactical race able to be able to use any combat style and so on

M MaraudianOP

23/02/2007 · 04:25 AM #41

nerf ruby and tourm and Guardian wont be the strongest race , collective will :/

G Gronoria

23/02/2007 · 03:49 AM #40

I pretty much agree with Hiigarans.

I think range +1 on Agate will be enough though, it`s not logical to have Agate and Amethyst with the same range.

For the Diamond i think the shields would be good enough as follows:
Energy Shield 70%
Absorption Shield -40%
ECM +30%
Ionized hull -20

E EvilAbadayos

22/02/2007 · 10:58 PM #39

starbase:

minerals: on top of already listed: +100 RC, +50 RC extra

shields: 90/-40/30/-10 or -20

will need testing

H Hiigarans

22/02/2007 · 10:09 PM #38

well, i still prefer the energy shield stay as 99%. swap some enegry shield to abosortion shield wasnt really a good move. if kinetic shield become better, ppl will aim on ecm and spam missile again.

maybe we can swap some enegry shield to ecm abit (5% - 10%)? it will make the G class weakness on kinetic more in sense. also, it will make the F class more worth to use.

the reason why i wish keep 99% on energy, enegry dmg will be mainly to deal with Ruby, Taurmaline n old L class (new L class not done yet) when killing Guardian. those combo with G class will make the stacking more fun :)

it is also the reason y i suggest nerfe abit on enegry shield on Taurmaline n Ruby. it will help those ppl use enegry dmg n kick wrong butt on G class later LOL

M MaraudianOP

22/02/2007 · 09:51 PM #37

so your suggesting less energy more absorb xD

fair enough lothor :p lets see what the rest have yo say :-)

L lothor

22/02/2007 · 09:45 PM #36

+99% energy sheilds are next to usless. guards have always been missle spamed. espically from terran/viral p class, hurc, tyr and maraudian pyth/angle

if you`re gonna give them anything for sheilds at a high rate maybe run with absorption sheild at a decent percent. at least then they might get some more use. even a +10 or +20 to absorption sheild could make them a bit more useful and encourage actual stacking with guards instead of ruby/torm/li spaming

M MaraudianOP

22/02/2007 · 08:21 PM #35

any comments on the starbase , it may still be a tad too good

S StrikeFreedom

22/02/2007 · 06:13 PM #34

ya.. guard needs to get its range or shield up..

H HoneyBucket

22/02/2007 · 04:15 PM #33

well many more players would think a little more before they smack guards on agg eh...

H Hiigarans

22/02/2007 · 12:56 PM #32

oh yeah, i forgot to say no on the range of G.Quartz. but yes on Agate n Amethyst

H Hiigarans

22/02/2007 · 12:27 PM #31

er... prehaps G clas should stay with the major weakness on Kinetic? as u can see, some G class ships in the list r more weak to missile now. Guardian dont need to get too much units weak on missile.

just like the Corundom in the list, K: -20% M: -40%, swap them become K: -40% M: -20%. this should prevent ppl spam full missile units to whack u all down with a little better ECM mod, and encourage the use of F class.

i wonder is there any change on dmg? the old G class before v1.02 was fine, it deal major energy dmg and minor kinetic dmg just like the Lictor now. soon, the Ruby n Taurmaline add on, G class had swap the major weapon to kinetic n minor to enegry. what we have here? Guardian got too much kinetic dmg ship for now.

prehaps we can change the weapon of G class to major enegry, minor kinetic?

anyway, reducing the ship upkeep... hmm... that`s what Terran n Miner always dream to :(

M MaraudianOP

22/02/2007 · 10:30 AM #30

the PR would drop yes

S Seifer

22/02/2007 · 10:26 AM #29

i thought the point of reducing the scanners was to reduce its pr

D DrKsTgUaRdIaN

22/02/2007 · 09:48 AM #28

stormofbladez that is

F FieryGallacticos

22/02/2007 · 09:45 AM #27

thanks! i can stack!

D DrKsTgUaRdIaN

22/02/2007 · 09:39 AM #26

to back up my point great stackers like storm that know how to stack against guard use range to their advantage not just spaming missle

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