D Class ... Suggestions

OP 17/02/2007 · 09:24 PM #1

I have a few combos which look decent. I`ve not tested them, but they look balanced to me (i.e. have strengths and weaknesses)

Conservative
D Hammerhead Suggestion 1

Class Frigate
Weapon 1400
Energy Damage 0
Kinetic Damage 600 (from 300)
Missile Damage 800 (from 400)
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 2000 (from puny 600) <Note the decent hull, since range is so low>
Range 6
Scanner rating <fiddle about to make it work>
Power rating 1,666

Cost per unit 12,940
Upkeep 285

1 turn produces 9 (from 8)

Defense Modifier
Energy Shield +30% (from 0)
Absorption Shield - 25 % (from -45%)
ECM + 90 % (same)
Ionized Hull - 45 % (same)

Ship Specials
No defense
This ship can`t return fire if attacked.

No retaliation
Ships attacked by this ship cannot return fire.

With range 6 and no defense it`ll still die to most ships :( Still a bit useless really :(
It could well be stronger.

I Ishamael

20/02/2007 · 12:28 PM #15

current hammerhead is not fine in any fashion. its a peice of garbage. i suggest giving it the first suggested upgrade and 7 range and it would be a pretty solid ship for marauders. they need something and i think where you`re going with the D class suggestions is a pretty good approach, though the bullhead still looks crumby :P

Z Zenith

19/02/2007 · 10:46 PM #14

Needs some no retal, to do damage on the top stacks without fear of retaliation. Marauders should get more no retal ships. Make them easier to stack with.

A ArchaeoptyrexOP

19/02/2007 · 10:40 PM #13

the current hammerhead is not fine! I`ve played maru for 2 years on ultra and then fast and never used them!

Tell me where you`d use it in a stack? (lets say balanced 10 -- you will never ever ever spam with hammerhead lol)

top stacks -- dies immediately due to pathetic range/hull
middle - lower stacks -- any decent neutral would be better (e.g. F, C class, or strafez)

:S

B Baley

19/02/2007 · 08:14 PM #12

Hmm, got to say that with those very low ratios and low range, the Hammerhead is mostly useless, unless you know for sure that some purely missile ships will be there. And in most cases you`d better put strafez, at least they may not die from everything else.

F freakn

19/02/2007 · 02:48 PM #11

current hammerhead is fine. (People don`t know where to put it in a stack)

Focus on changing the useless Bullhead cruiser. Making it more like a destroyer would be great.

A ArchaeoptyrexOP

19/02/2007 · 04:21 AM #10

Oh I think the range 8 bullhead would make a nice low stack =) (like argo), also as you said a good counter ship.

3 decent ships with good build rate would be nice (currently just pyth angel as you know)

Hmm ... I agree +90% is too much for Hammerhead (as you said immune to thor/zeus)
A lift to range 7 would be great though from Suggestion 1!

More responses welcome!

Thanks Baley

B Baley

19/02/2007 · 03:31 AM #9

I don`t think marauders need another 9 range destroyer... and actually, that version of the Hammerhead would make it a very pike-like ship (with a +90% shield, which would make it mostly immune to a lot of other long range ships).
The version 1 however would be far from beeing useless in my opinion : this would make it a good ship for middle / bottom line.That`s the kind of ships that I think can encourage stacking instead of spam.

I don`t really understand in which situation your version of the Bullhead would be used, except for building a powerful third stack below the pyth and angels before countering from very high PR. It`s not a bad ship in itself, but I`m not sure it could be included in marauder fleets easily. Personally I think I`d give it less weapon, more hull and a shorter range, so it would become a kind of fodder ship with interesting shields.

T TheShadow

18/02/2007 · 08:20 AM #8

humm yea mission for all races as well. Maybe Dark Marauder playable eh ( humm fair suggestion. Complete all missions for Marauder to get DarkMarauder. If we get missions for Marauder)

D DarckKnight

18/02/2007 · 08:07 AM #7

yeah this sounds nice especially the missions part

A ArchaeoptyrexOP

18/02/2007 · 07:26 AM #6

further suggestion: I don`t know how much control admins have over mission-uploads ... but certainly, this could be cool:

several missions based around theme of getting Dark Maru ships. You start off having researched terrible-D class as they are (including a weak D angel). Once you do certain missions, your D class get upgraded to hopefully good stuff!

How`s about that? If it`s at all feasible to make missions, I`d happily come up with a set of missions (1st Act at least)

A AlphaCentauri

18/02/2007 · 01:14 AM #5

yea this would be nice :)

Z Zenith

17/02/2007 · 10:29 PM #4

omg, they`re almost useful!

Marauders are definitely the least played race... they need some buffs. And some good, unique ships. I mean, play a viral and you already got angel, pyth, and probably pike or tiger. That`s pretty much the marauder`s main arsenal right there.

Make more good ships. Or at least, unique playing style ships.

A ArchaeoptyrexOP

17/02/2007 · 09:29 PM #3

D Bullhead is easier to fix:

D Bullhead Suggestion

Class Cruiser
Weapon 2,600 (from 1,300)
Energy Damage 0
Kinetic Damage 1000 (doubled)
Missile Damage 1600 (doubled)
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 6,500 (from 4000)
Range 8
Scanner rating <make it work>
Power rating 5,706

Cost per unit 40,910
Upkeep 550

1 turn produces 6

Ship Specials
No defense
This ship can`t return fire if attacked.

No retaliation
Ships attacked by this ship cannot return fire.

Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield +45% (from 0)
Absorption Shield -20% (from - 50 %)
ECM + 80 %
Ionized Hull - 30 %

A ArchaeoptyrexOP

17/02/2007 · 09:26 PM #2

D Hammerhead Suggestion 2

Class DESTROYER
Weapon 1350
Energy Damage 0
Kinetic Damage 550 (from 300)
Missile Damage 800 (from 400)
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 1300 (from puny 600) <Note the smaller hull, since range is high>
Range 9
Scanner rating <fiddle about to make it work>
Power rating 1,666

Cost per unit 12,940
Upkeep 285

1 turn produces 8 (from 8)

Defense Modifier
Energy Shield +10% (from 0)
Absorption Shield - 25 % (from -45%)
ECM + 90 % (same)
Ionized Hull - 45 % (same)

Ship Specials
No defense
This ship can`t return fire if attacked.

No retaliation
Ships attacked by this ship cannot return fire.

This would be a real nice ship! But one can dream ...

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