Talk about Unbalanced

T TaurenOP

OP 10/02/2007 · 09:59 PM #1

Name H.Man-O-War
Class Starbase
Weapon 100
Energy Damage 0
Kinetic Damage 50
Missile Damage 50
Chemical Damage 0
Hull 1,200
Range 3
Scanner rating 0
Power rating 402

Cost per unit 4,040
Upkeep 176

1 turn produces 60

Mineral Required Mineral Required
Terran Metal 0
Red Crystal 1
White Crystal 1
Rutile 2
Composite 2
Strafez Organism 0

Ship Specials Capture Ship Ability
This ship has a 100 % chance of capturing ships in battle

Ship Attributes Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 60 %
Absorption Shield + 99 %
ECM + 99 %
Ionized Hull + 80 %

look at this shields modification it`s bloody as bad as kalzul ships stephen it`s not UC!!!

H.Man-O-War already being rebalanced

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-02-10

B BadSicilian

10/02/2007 · 11:46 PM #35

overpowered as in nothing beats it at even pr. evn though it kills nothing, you still can`t really beat it. whats to stop collectives from spamming it up, letting everyone hit, then countering everytwhere? there`d be collectives with those danged huge clusters everywhere.

D DarckKnight

10/02/2007 · 11:46 PM #34

heh just for info
Kalzul versus 500 MOW starbase on agressive

169 K. Hun-Li 8.656.856 PR
210 K. Hun-Xe 16.447.620 PR
168 K. Wei-Li 31.377.696 PR
168 K. Wei-Xe 31.377.696 PR
39 K. Wai-Li 14.568.645 PR
57 K. Wai-Xe 21.292.635 PR
102 K. Yang-Fo 76.203.384 PR
29 K. Yang-Xe 21.665.668 PR

D DarckKnight

10/02/2007 · 11:39 PM #33

that thing isn't overpowered lol xD

D DarckKnight

10/02/2007 · 11:38 PM #32

ok heres the Man O War stats this is how many ships to kill 500 Man O War starbase on agressive wich is 201K PR the first number is number of ships required

Neutral
21.429 Small Strafez Runner 2.464.335 PR
4.286 Large Strafez Runner 1.864.410 PR
2.449 Strafez Queen 2.194.304 PR

126.558 Light Fighter-drone 632.790 PR
29.832 Light Corvette 1.014.288 PR
28.920 C.Aries 1.474.920 PR
48.980 F.Broadsword 54.661.680 PR

Terrans
2.143 T.Garuda 2.048.708 PR
21.429 P.Thor 34.800.696 PR
166 Nirvana 2.992.980 PR
1.163 Tyr 15.159.705 PR
1.715 Hercules 77.864.430 PR

A.miners
42.858 M. Hal 985.734
28.572 M. Alium 1.485.744 PR
1.715 M. Epidote 1.605.240 PR
34.286 M. Chlorite 42.377.496 PR
558 M. Flysch 4.034.898 PR
260 M. Lyth 8.782.800 PR
827 A. Aragonite 4.163.945 PR
85 G. Lictor 4.934.420 PR

Guardian
4.286 Tourmaline 27.901.860 Pr
142 G. Amethyst 4.090.878 Pr
2.858 Ruby 32.203.944 Pr
2.143 L. Garnet 91.557.532 Pr
93 G. Corundum 7.293.804 Pr
169 K. Hun-Li 8.656.856 Pr
105 G. Fluorite 9.547.335 Pr
210 K. Hun-Xe 16.447.620 Pr

Maruader
23.427 Eel 1.663.317 PR
2.788 Barracuda 4.204.304 PR
1.673 Pike 2.134.748 PR
28.572 Tiger 42.743.712 PR
3.345 Shark 6.863.940 PR
110 Pyth 2.477.970 PR
1.559 D. Angel 36.178.154 PR

Collectives
171.429 R. Pinnace 27.771.498 PR
1.559 R. Sloop 869.922 PR
42.858 H. Galleon 84.687.408 PR
2.788 R. Schooner 5.676.368 PR

Viral
5.621 V. Borrelly 2.563.176 PR

well one thing to note is the MOW starbase barely killed anything in this atacks since it fire after most of the time but still even when firing first barely kills ships killed 24223 light fight

B BadSicilian

10/02/2007 · 10:57 PM #31

its either give the thing to miner with a power rating of that to match lictors and lyth, or keep it with collective with a guardian starbase or higher power rating.

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:55 PM #30

rofl @ zenith, that ship is useless, but that is like 10% of the collective update

Z Zenith

10/02/2007 · 10:54 PM #29

Collectives way overpowered. Crazy ships. And some of them are just weird. R. Snow, 500 dmg, 3500 hull, and only 3066 PR?? What the hell?

The rest of the update is fine, but I don`t like the collectives at all.

D DaniCalifornia

10/02/2007 · 10:49 PM #28

i agree with DM.. collective is "too" overpowered now..

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:49 PM #27

short enough

S species382

10/02/2007 · 10:48 PM #26

i was just struck by an evil thought, if the collectivbe gets the ueber-ships, how long will it take, that they become a paid race?

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:48 PM #25

even without the capturing ability

S species382

10/02/2007 · 10:46 PM #24

I support the suggestion, just give the H.Man-O-War to the miners....

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:46 PM #23

you are right BS, this starbase should be miner`s crown

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:45 PM #22

hull/damge/pr/upkeep and shield modifiers of pinnace and sloop are a lot better than any terran and miner ship...

B BadSicilian

10/02/2007 · 10:45 PM #21

wow, atlest give the thing a gigantic power rateing if its gunna be useable O_O or give it to miner since they are a "defensive" race. collective is meant to be all out offence, giving them a starbase to rival that of the kalzul simply defeats the purpose.

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:43 PM #20

and maraudian, that ship is sooooo unbalanced that v class looks like a mosquito compared to it...

A Archaeoptyrex

10/02/2007 · 10:43 PM #19

no ... I think 3/4 good ships are fine ...
terrans have ~6 good ships (gar, thor, zeus, tyr, nirv, herc, maybe sent.)
miners have ... uh ... flysch epidote chlorite
marus have pyth angel pike tiger barra

so why not? though 20k+ build rate on sloop and pinnace is mighty :):)

D DrunkenMasters

10/02/2007 · 10:40 PM #18

the ship is unbalanced and collectives are unbalanced as well... Sloop, pinnace, galleon and that man-o-war. What is going to own that? It is worse than guard...

S species382

10/02/2007 · 10:39 PM #17

Maraudian, you dont have to try everything out, sometimes common sence is enough.

The currently best defence ship has effective >4Hull per pr point in the weakest spot (shileds included). If a new ship appears, which has 8hull per 1pr in the weakest spot, then there is something wrong in the state of denmark (free after shakespeare).

Proove me wrong....

A Archaeoptyrex

10/02/2007 · 10:38 PM #16

bah I`m sounding really petulant. Sorry guys =P
Guess I wanted some nicer G and L class was all.

I did sense some deja-vu. we had this complaint a couple months ago when this was suggested.

*goes back under his hole

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