defensive ?????????

"There is no reason to become a miner and then complain about the ships.." well, where do you get your minerals from?

There is no reason to become a miner and then complain about the ships... the most well known dilemma of the race... change races if you want to fight!!

there must have been a screw loose in stephens head when he made the aminer

Lol nope just remember that there are alot of ships that can get wiped out just as quick :p

Hellus, my test was to see how fast the starbases got wiped out, didn`t take much effort for the attacker :D

Well, GreyArea, your tip to use the better smaller ships is nice on rt, but on turn based servers with a rather low density of out-of-DP targets, your advice is not as practical since miners are the prime target for most other empires, even of other miners, because of their sucky defence....

rofl.. i NEVER encourage a Flysch spam nor any other spam. no doubt, Flysch is the best ship that MIner can get no matter in offensive or defensive. but still, u need to put it on the right position.

dont promote flysch spamming any more than it already is hiigs...its annoying at best

lmao... i did play as Miner on other server although i stay in NP :P i did fight some high pr when i got the max turn n time :P

but, yes, with the F class n C class, u can decrease the pr lose to win a battle. sound wired? nah...

to win a battle, u DONT really have to whipe out all the defender fleet. sometimes, u just do enough pr lose to defender AND u have to loss less pr than defender, then u win. simple? ;) of course, expect 1 - 2 colonies win from the battle too.

no doubt, Flysch is the core of ur fleet. mix up with all the M class, F class, C class, u will know how DEADLY can a Miner be ;p

What kind of test is that Darkshot if you spam a bunch of garbage its almost impossible to win, you should see what would happen if a guard spammed a bunch of L class it would be just as bad. Listen to what GreyArea and Parasite have to say they can whoop pritty well any race as aminer :P

um how have i got 199 planets with just a 2 day old miner empire on GC:RT if the ships suck?

i loose max of 2 when i get attacked, and when i attack generally take the full 3

learn to stack and u will find out that miner is one of themost fun offensive and defensive races, just dont rely on the shoddy large ships.

infact...flysch is the highest pr single ship u should use in most of ur fleets, destroyers/cruisers/frigates and corvettes are GREAT in the right spot. lyth is only really good for a very fast pr jump whilst not being and flimsy as a lictor or kyro jump. flysch spam on careful with full dummies generally will win atleast 1 though i suggest full stacking or half stacking to get the 2-3 planet wins


remember on defence C class, strafez and high hull miner ships will minimis losses. or do an offensive stack and wait to get hit and instantly counter...assuming u didnt loose that is.


fodder is the only borry defence miner really has. yes chlorite and broadsword do a number on them but 9 times out of 10 they will die cos they get outnumbered so badly then get wiped out anyways. throw fodder there and minimis losses to borries. illite kill chirons on even PR as do light fighter drones, livid kill borries if they are 120%pr or more of the borry stack if u attack on careful


see...its not that hard jst need alot of practice and not spamming of the large junk miner ships

I made a test.

AAA attacked you. Attack was successful !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
Darkshot`s fleet
M.Lakko Starbase 265 265 0
A.Kryo Starbase 25 25 0
M.Lyth Dreadnought 51 39 12
A.Hoko Starbase 150 150 0
Ranger Scout 39 39 0
C.Aries Corvette 1 1 0
Light Corvette Corvette 1 1 0
M.Hal Fighter 1 1 0
Light fighter-drone Fighter 1 1 0
Seeker Scout 1 1 0

lol, sue me

Miner in attack are just deadly....never let them hit with a full 10 stack or you will regret that`s for ssure....but in defence...the only moment I had green was...during UW 780green with no red....huhu lol...

I apologize.

Actually HYBRID, you know what I get a kick out of? I`m glancing over my battle log (I`m a miner) and it`s speckled green/red/green/red/green/red... offense/defense/offense/defense/offense/defense

o.O

"Get over it." ????

That was uncalled for. If you don`t like to hear it don`t listen...

For the most part the Collective were completely devastated. The Aspha Miners had major losses, but nothing as great as Collective race. Of the Collective main fleet, 638 out of 5,573 were left, compared to the 3,000 or so Aspha Miner losses.

Yup, obviously the manual can be trusted.

Get over it.

A.miner is an easy, viral a hard race. You see, how far you can trust the manual?