The Gordo Land Fix - ( Ideas )

Gordos and guardians will not be changed in the forseeable future. The ghost ship of GC has no captain. There is no hope for positive change, its a permanent uphill battle. Back to VM I go after I get knocked down. Thankfully I never caved in and went Guardian myself like so many of you did.

You guys can enjoy your broken game, i`ll go find a balanced one where half the player base isnt a gordod guardian

Alright, since gordod empires can dong and whine and threaten to quit, Im joining Rambo in his VM if there has been no changes agreed upon when my paid runs out.

I will no longer play if the game will remain broken.

better fix.

make pr based on land, so your pr is 10x land, everyones pr decreases.
make it so exploring is land based, fix exploring, so once above a certain land count/ planet count to get a planet it costs 1500 turns or 2500, so that way you can still explore but its not easy?

so someone take and input these in
300 planet 100k land
300 planet 400k land
1 planet 100k land
1 planet 10k land

I was able to do the first line but then got lost when we decided pr should play a role here?

my gut is saying this will make mineral miners the best income path to take as u wont be penalized for having land

Noted - proof of concept.

Mainly just a concept formula template & proof of concept, using some quick math I ran.

May need to create tiers in the formula, or were you only showing one formula example? If only one example, I think this looks good to me as we are rewarding peoples income/production as they have more planets. I guess the only race that wouldn`t benefit from this is mineral miners (yes I know they are rare), but this formula would effect them not so greatly, not that they need it. /joking

Okay so if i worked inside of what Omeg suggested, which I like because it`s a good suggestion.

[Min 0.85 Max 2 ((planets / (land / 1500)) + 0.5)]
(Above x [(PR / (average pr of top 10) Min 0.75 Max 2.5] x 1.5) (0.9x in dp, 1.5x out of dp)
Final Value:- Min: 0.85 - Max 3

That being applied to all income types, discuss, point out flaws, show improvements, etc..

Honestly, putting restrictions on planet size and all that is fine and all, but that wouldn`t deal with the grandfathered accounts nor would it solve an easy solution that BW can program once and be done with it. What you are asking is a more manual approach, while what I was proposing is more programmable (if possible by the BW).

There have been some ideas here that don`t involve turning people`s planets into c3s, which frankly I`m very against. There are a large portion of people who do not probably play the game to fight, and are not active enough to maintain borders on an unexplorable empire. And that`s fine, they belong here as well. Turning planets into clusters is one of the most heavy handed approaches here, and will massively alienate a significant portion of players. And if the only people that "benefit everyone else here" are the people that are unexplorable, I`ve got some bad news for you. Even at the peak of this game unexplorable empires were in the vast minority...

The main issue with any proposal or update is the total lack of support most get. The reason is that no one wants things to change. They want the changes, but dont at the same time because they dont want to take a risk.
They dont want to lose their gordo planets. (Im okay with losing mine... fuggit. If it makes GC better, go for it).
No one wants to take a risk. Long ago this game was build with risk in mind. You began each day worried you wouldnt be able to cover your clusters in time. Well, land based will return this risk.
Yes, busting up a fert will eliminate a good deal of income, BUT, there are changes in mind to colony mods so that will hopefully negate the absurd mods that Fert has. BUT, again, no one wants change so... here we are.

I am a huge proponent of the UW-kills-you-win-or-lose idea. I love it. Makes it very risky, and the rewards can be modified. You dont realize yet that BW has full control?

Id be okay with a complete reset of RT. Everyone starts equal. People will leave, sure, but we all know what happens when we are off the crack for too long...

GOM, what would you propose that you believe balances out the game play.

So I guess the thing is GOM, you being here doesnt benefit anyone else in the ranks because unless you do go inactive, the only thing anyone will ever win off you are garbage border....and thats kind of the problem.

Yeah, we get that people set up these nice single planet or small cluster gordod planets, and most of them did it because it allows for very easy, risk free play. Like thats cool, but it makes the game suck. If nobody has anything worth taking, theres no reason for anyone ever to fight.

I havent won a good planet off anything but an NPC for ages. Is that what the game should be? Every remain explorable, nobody fight unless someone tries to UW?

Nobody should be able to maintain a sizeable income risk free, yet thats what gordod planets allow. Theres zero risk and massive return - a gordod planet, while time consuming, allows for income way over what someone can really cluster (without winning massive clusters to add to your own after you hit the colony limit).

In a game where there is a situation in which a style of play is low (or even zero) risk with massive reward, well, thats just a broken game.

Good point Omeg

Again that is just simple paper math, you can create more tiers than the 3 I put on my first post and slide it however you like, but this keeps it simple and probably can make it by race as well.

Now that I think about this, this should also nerf the huge effect a u. fertile gordoed would have as well, but would impact the scout upkeep becoming a problem, so may make sense to have scout upkeep increase based upon land amount, but that is another thought.