Lower Guardian Build Rates

Guardian 51,433
Miner 44,370
Collective 42,900
Terran 37,776
Marauder 36,136

Here is where avg build rates would sit if my changes were applied

Hey guys,

Heres my proposal for guardian build rates. I made the ships smaller so that we could adjust build rates without using decimal build rates.

https://i.imgur.com/I2lq84E.png

The blue lines are the adjusted numbers, the white lines the current numbers.

This may mean that certain ships will build faster than guard, but thats 1 or 2 ships per race. The guardian build rate will still significantly higher on average than every other race.

Tourmaline was the only ship I did not change build rate on due to it already having a low build rate.

BRs can be less than one. Suppose you do three things to the G. Diamond:
1. Place the BR at 0.5. You have 1 SB every 2 turns. For 30 turns, this is 15 SBs.
2. Nerf weapons, hull and power by 25%
3. Make all SBs bring you out of DP when built.

If we want to nerf Kryo after much love and attention was put in 6 years ago to make it what it is today:
1. Reduce hull by 20%
2. BR set at 0.75
3. Reduce range by 1
4. Leave it the .... alone.

@grump how do you nerf a guard SB BR when its already at 1? half a ship per turn. PR sure nerf it.

You don`t see it means an A.miner nerf. Thats fine, I don`t see why it would either, I am pointing out discussions around starbase`s

Me and you both know someone made a nice suggestion of 50percent chance of starbase building brings people out of DP. I edited that to all races

That is fair. Something that affects all races. However its not really fair as miner and guards SB up mostly.

#allshipsmatter #allBRsmatter #allracesmatter

well maybe if people got my point instead of missing it like a stormtrooper and dismissing my points I would.

I have had this discussion years ago and it pissed me off then as nothing was done and its the same issues being discussed now.

@CC - Stop repetitively complaining about the same thing.

I am guard & i vote yes for a little nerf, not everyone will. Simple fact.

if the majority of guards oppose a idea it won`t happen that it is the brutal truth. you just showed your side is opposed to any change to the race played alot by your team, aminer. the same thinking of guards is the same as yours for miner, don`t nerf our stuff, if you do then you will have to nerf this, that and this, making the other side pissed off to say no, meaning bw can`t make any change without pissing off everyone. thats gc. it`s not fair. people need to compromise but again its not in gc players to do that so gc sucks monkey balls

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I read some good points, and i read a lot of complaining.

Make your arguments.
Come up with creative solutions.
Stop repetitively complaining about the same thing.

Keep in mind GC RT server is linked to GC turn based servers, so nerfing a race on one server is like nerfing them on every server which isnt exactly fair & has always been the problem.

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@rambo i really hate when you say A.miner suck, you never truly played the A.miner race, heck you never truly played guard either. Until you do i think you`ll lack more understanding about the balancing of the game and the ships. Admit never has never been perfect and this game has grown and changed so much over the years. You wanna see progress, be part of the solution.

@CaptianChraisma, not everything in this game is a trade off, just because we nerf one thing, we dont have to nerf another. Your bring up past problems, and i see no valid argument why a guard nerf would affectedly mean an A.miner nerf.

@DrKsTgUaRdIaN - True point.

- All said an done i agree guardian build rates could be nerf possibly, but how would it effect turn base guards, idk because i dont play turn base.

- Also Guardian is one of the poorest races in the game, especially on turn base, RT we all know those massive gordo planets make our incomes crazy lol. Fair RT guards have better income than turn base guards??? food for thought.

- i proposed removing K.Xe.... seriously why do guard need 3 K.class ships haha, oh here comes the backlash from other guards.

- I agree wtf does guard have a starbase that does 140k a turn?? where we starbasing to? But very few people around here remember how crabpy the original Guard starbase was, useless. Nerf the starbase build rate cool, but please remember to lower the upkeep by 5-15% lol

"Nerfing Miner SB`s would be what the guards would want in return or more." I cant even take that seriously

"GC isnt fair" So lets make it fair? Why would I waste my time playing a strategy game that isnt fair?

because as I explained to ender and others GC isn`t fair. Nerfing Miner SB`s would be what the guards would want in return or more. Both Old miner and guard can build to silly pr`s in DP which I think this thread is in part about to cut back on how easy a Guard can build in DP as well as BR`s, I am just putting it out there, both miner and guard can do it.

Taking a look at RT
Most of One side is mostly guards
Most of another is miner viral and a few guards

One side is pushing for guard nerfs, so why would they not push back and demand other things be nerfed as well

That sadly is how GC works. Or if they don`t want nerfs done it will just be a simple no way don`t do it and thats why nothing gets changed in GC.

People can`t agree or give abuse to BW when they try and change things to balance it out for all Races

Well if there is no hope to nerf Guardians, then why do any of us that aren`t guardian still play the game? Serious question

Why would we nerf anything about miner when they suck lol? Why does nerfing the guardian starbase mean we have to nerf miner starbases??

things to point out.
AM
Stephen didn`t mean to raise turns to 30 on RT, it was what 20 as non paid. He did it accidently if I recall then paid went to 45. I think Omeg will recall more he near broke RT when he was messing around with that.
BW maybe a better coder than stephen and may be able to increase Turn cap but its hard to do to say the least or hard for *stephen* anyway.
if you guys want to balance guards out a bit think In mind, I asked all servers are currently linked I saw the guardian formula, all are linked change one on RT it changes it all servers. If they were separate, or could be then great balancing could be done.

People have been trying to nerf guards for years. I was one of them. That was before guards were so strong on RT. Imagine now when there are more guards and some guards are 5 years stronger with 100`s of thousands of land the opposition it will get.

One solution, if you can`t nerf guard is to boost all other ships BR`s and lower upkeeps but thats just crazy talk as I am trying to find middle ground

I am going to suggest something that will be shot down likely since a group of veterans were having a discussion with star-bases the other day. It was suggested and then modified by someone with big influence in GC that starbase`s have a 50 percent of taking people out of DP.

It was opposed by the veterans in that chat If i recall. However I throw that out there as realistically if you guys are pushing for nerfing Guard SB its going to mean Miner SB`s are going to get nerfed as well. You guys won`t like to hear, or well read that. That`s the hard truth from someone who doesn`t give a crab about miner or Guard.

" I agree that guardian br is a bit extream but let`s be realistic if you take the time to play the game right guardian isn`t a prob unless your online activity is limited. Credits and how long you can be online are more dangerous than br`s."

This guide confirmed has no idea what he`s talking about

ender br of diamond is already one per turn. resetting guards after a uw unless it is a new server is a non starter it will not be allowed through

If they`re meant to defend the galaxy from UWs, how about all guards get reset if one goes off? That`d be a bit spicy.