Proposed Gordo Solution

HEY BW, I think that your on the right track, But there are osme fair points made. You shouldn`t cap the gordos because the grandfathered empires would always have an advantage that the others couln`t possibly catch up to. Instead just offer the bonuses to the 125 and up empires. And like Wing said, you gotta change the planet modifiers on the c3s and c4s to make them more rewarding. Collective for sure.

Why not simply change the modifiers on clusters to make incentive to hoard?

it would be different if they bought gordos from a black market from the game owners. however they didnt. they bought of other players which is a risk. for instance in the rules if you sell artifacts it says about if you send the money and get no artifacts then the game admins can`t do anything and its your own fault. how is this different? you risked something outside the game using money to get ahead and now the loophole is being closed. also in other games this has happened where there actually has been a black market were due to people being richer they had motherships that were so big average players couldnt even damage there ship at all. so yea anyhow

the truth is if sib has 300 k land (I dont know what size he has) and I am only allowed to get to 150 k land c2 then thats unfair. all land needs to be capped. guardians at 300 k land were never envisioned by stephen or any race for that matter.

Okay, read your answer. Explained a lot. Thanks. This makes me excited ^^

So if you have a 150k Tainted C.2, or 150k C2 you can no longer gordo it up...but lets say you have a crabpy C3 then the 150k C2 you can still gordo up the C2 since you`ll have over 125 planets?

It seems the way this needs to work would be to trim all the gordoed empires above 150k land down.. else this really wouldnt work as well. I commend the willingness of those affected empires to lose the weight. It shows genuine support for the admins and the game as a whole.

Other than that, i like it.

I would also favor 100k instead of 150k. 100k land is a LOT of land.

Seems the gordoed empires are generally for being cut down. Putting a cap in place would then essentially negate the need for these bonuses on clusters, and the upkeep reduction. I think a suitable number for land size should be discussed for explorable land amounts.

I`m kind of with sibi in that 150k land explorable is pretty huge. 100k will make a decent income and you can pretty much do whatever you need with that kind of land.

I like the cluster bonuses, and will add my voice to those calling for existing clusters to receive the bonuses. As for the gordo cap...

My concern is, the way I see it, there is no way to do this fairly. If existing gordoed empires are not grandfathered in, they lose their hard work and money; if they are grandfathered in, it doesn`t fix the problem they pose, it locks it in place, as they keep their combination of powerful economies and explorability. If existing gordoed empires agree to be cut down to size, this should be done without the grandfathering provision; otherwise, I don`t think it should be done at all.

It was more actual confirmation that was required from either you or EE since after reading all the update posts, I thought that was still up for debate.

Thanks

Also, side question, will this be tied to how exploration will become in the future where it is total land based rather than planet count?

I generally like the proposed update a lot. It doesn`t kill the gordoed empires which are still a viable way of playing when your timeframe for GC changes on a daily basis, which is why I made such an empire. It also closes the gap between gordoed and hoarding empires.

I will vote no to grandfathering empires as it kind of works opposite the intention of the update. The land cap of 150k sounds a little high, but could be fair since you can do larges to 100k as well. Let`s see how it plays out, but setting a 100k restriction on gordoed planets would be alright by me.

I`m curious about how these cluster changes will affect the TB servers. It seem to encourage new hoarders which is good, though it`s a blow for the old ones who might have spent tons of time collecting that will now become sub par.

But all in all I think it`s a very good proposition to deal with the problem without making these gordoed empires obsolete.

So as an experienced hoarder as well BW, while 10-19% is marginal as you had posted, while there are still other updates coming down the road as far as race economies and upkeep/ship changes. While I don`t want to speculate, I think hoarders are at a disadvantage if not given a one time boost for their clusters albeit 10% across the board to be fair. The reason I state this is really more focused at TB where those who are hoarding are very scarce and clusters taken from empire X are almost even rarer. The reason I see it helps the bottom line.

As far as gordos part, I am fine with that and agree with Raist and TBK. I think 150k is a reasonable number given that most races do reach that land amount if they built 2-3 c2s and had ularges or gordoed ufertiles. While the balance would be a smidge stronger for some races over others, I think that balance will be fixed in future updates.