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RT Minerals

Started by Stargaters · 26/06/2015 · 07:39 AM · 37 replies · 1 read
S StargatersOP
I`m sick of hearing people complain about RT minerals. No matter how much mineral Miners post, people buy it out because the stock allowed is way too high, the price is capped way too low, and empires still just make too much money for any new people to have a chance. Here`s proof of the greed. Please, EE and BW, address this in your next update.

4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 1,000,000 units of Strafez Organism for 1,000,000,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 13,731,655 units of Strafez Organism for 13,731,655,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 9,000,000 units of Composite for 9,000,000,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 9,000,000 units of Composite for 9,000,000,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 7,000,000 units of White Crystal for 7,000,000,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 15,000,000 units of White Crystal for 15,000,000,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 11,000,000 units of Terran Metal for 11,000,000,000 $ !
4:44 AM 26/06/15 GoodKnight bought 33,912,087 units of Terran Metal for 33,912,087,000 $ !
4:42 AM 26/06/15 Ap0caLypSe bought 10,000,000 units of Terran Metal for 10,000,000,000 $ !
4:42 AM 26/06/15 Ap0caLypSe bought 1,200,000 units of Rutile for 1,200,000,000 $ !
4:42 AM 26/06/15 Ap0caLypSe bought 10,000,000 units of Strafez Organism for 10,000,000,000 $ !
4:41 AM 26/06/15 NewRising bought 3,841,500 units of Strafez Organism for 3,841,500,000 $ !
4:41 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 4,000,000 units of White Crystal for 4,000,000,000 $ !
4:41 AM 26/06/15 NewRising bought 426,845 units of Strafez Organism for 426,845,000 $ !
4:40 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 4,000,000 units of Red Crystal for 4,000,000,000 $ !
4:40 AM 26/06/15 1stcamper bought 1,000,000 units of Strafez Organism for 1,000,000,000 $ !
4:40 AM 26/06/15 NewRising bought 6,087,913 units of Terran Metal for 6,087,913,000 $ !
4:40 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 5,000,000 units of Strafez Organism for 5,000,000,000 $ !
C Caramelo18
ankaar, right now, gc makes more money to steph than uc, because the OM on uc gives dps... so no, that argument doesnt apply... GK alone is probably making gc more cash than all uc combined...

And ankaar, you know perfectly well what OM stealing planets/land does to a game, so dont suggest that unless you want a dead game
A Ankaar
UC has a one time project that every player gets every restart - it allows you to move your infra levels around. I think it was probably implemented so newbs who made early mistakes could later fix it. UC economy of course is pretty lame in that only one route, housing, is really long term feasible. It honestly makes far more sense to have it here, where different incomes are actually used. I for one would love to switch incomes after a w hile, but currently the only way is a full on restart really
G GoodKnight
I for one would then change over to mining but not by a restart... if they could swop my infra over
G GoodKnight
Best idea woyld be that mining on planets actually generates minerals so land is worth getting and not having to hoard planets
S StargatersOP
I agree with a lot that has been said here, and I just want it to be out there for EE and BW to at least look at when they work on the upcoming updates. Thanks everyone so far for throwing your opinions out there. Also:

"No matter what, I dont think anything could kill the game more than nearly a decade of neglect from Stephen"

Jesus. Pretty sure you could run a presidential campaign on that quote.
A Ankaar
Increasing mineral output sort of floods the market, or makes it too easy to produce your own minerals. In other word, it takes one complexity of the game and makes it far too easy and really just becomes something that is ignored as an aspect of the game.

People buying gordos is not keeping gc in existence. The income from UC keeps GC in existence. The only way GC will ever be profitable is to get a lot of people to play the game, and either make it a micropayment game, which sucks a lot and id quit, or just get a lot of people who pay the 5 dollar subscription monthly.

OM destroying land would force more people to want to kill any OM, and would make it much more difficult to get a large group of people to agree to defend it.

No matter what, I dont think anything could kill the game more than nearly a decade of neglect from Stephen
C Caramelo18
If mineral income became actually dependent of land, i could see some tax asphas rethink their strategy and restart as miner... im sure you taxers hate the base pr :P

This would send more minerals into the market and as a result give people something to spend their cash :P
C Caramelo18
why not just increase mineral production and make it depend on land instead of number of planets? I think this would solve everything and would avoid further issues
N NewRising
It`s a big problem on all servers, but I`ll just address RT. Reducing land size on colonies from a successful UW just isn`t going to happen. There are players that have spent RL money buying paids for gordos that will just stop doing it, cutting Stephens income from this game even more or just quit.
Reducing the price cap on minerals will only hurt small empires and new empires and will ultimatly discourage any new player to stay. (I have the same belief with food prices going above 15, but thats another thread another time)
Decreasing the stockpile cap is possible but there`s a few things that need to happen if that happens. Increase max money cap, get rid of dineros and the rich list.
Empires don`t like losing $600bil from someone dineroing them, so what can they do? Spend it on something. That something is minerals and ore. Get rid of dineros and you get rid of that reason for buying all the minerals and ore that gets posted.
Building for a UW takes alot of $$...Well there`s a $$ cap, so the only way to save enough $$ is to get a high reserve of minerals and ore to sell later when you are building your fleet...Get rid of the $$ cap after getting rid of dineros and you get rid of that reason for buying all the minerals.

Now the biggest problem I see with the market is lack of players...now we could get into how to get and keep new players but that`s for another time in another thread. That`s just my thoughts on the issue.
I`ll also throw out that I have no problem posting minerals up when people ask for them so if you do need minerals to build and I`m online, just ask.,
Stargaters did that here. People were asking for minerals, he helped out and now he feels like people abused his generosity. From me to you Stargater, I bought what I bought to replenish what I`ve posted on the market to help out when people ask. that 6mil purchase was from the 50mil posting of yours, I`m sorry if you felt like I was taking adva
A Ankaar
I really dont think a price cap removal is necessary.

If you decrease the resource cap, players wont be able to keep stockpiling, thus minerals will sit on the market longer, and newer players will have increased opportunity to purchase.

Increasing cost doesnt prevent wealthy empires from stockpiling, but it does cripple new players.

I have no problem with increasing the mineral requirements of certain ships if they are posing a problem.
S StargatersOP
Those are all great ideas, Ankaar. And I get your point about the price cap removal, but I was just thinking that if they were removed, if someone absolutely needed some minerals, at least there could be some on the market the richer players won`t touch because it`s too expensive. Honestly, I just want to facilitate a discussion about the problem - because it is a problem, and it`s built into the game. If I would have had the time to go and take everyone`s name out of this post I would have; my main point wasn`t to out players doing this, but to show that it`s just something that`s normal for the game. It`s really not good for new players, and shows that we need to make some change with how we handle minerals. Another idea would, of course, be increasing the price of ships, upkeep price, and especially the mineral cost (or some sort of mineral upkeep), especially for Guardians. While this would hurt smaller players as well, fighting *should* be expensive, constantly sitting at 100 mil plus PR shouldn`t be common, and getting to max money shouldn`t be so simple. I did it in less than a month and a half when I started up again in April.
G GoodKnight
Moar minerals please :)
A Ankaar
I will add that the most unfortunate thing about the UW is that it punishes weaker players the most, while strong players get minimal impacts.

All that is lost is money and reserves - someone with a massive land planet can take that hit and earn it back very quickly. A newer player with a 20k C2 or two isnt going to have that kind of reserve, and all theyre going to lose is the little bit that they had.

I personally would love to see a UW that decreases planet sizes by a certain percentage or something. Not only does this encourage hitting them, but creates a sort of equalizing force in which terribly Op old empires with massive land can possibly lose some of that massive advantage they have
A Ankaar
id be cool with reducing the cap - keep people from stockpiling it too much.

Increasing the market price, while it would benefit anyone selling minerals would harm the small players you seem to want to help out.

As far as empires making too much money, that is just due to land size - I personally think a land cap isnt a terrible thing, with the only planets above the cap being even planets. I dont really understand the logic behind someone being able to infinitely gordo a planet - especially when it gives them ethe ability to easily have a lot of alnd covered by a lot of borders. Without gordos, people are sort of forced to have more colonies, or bigger clusters, which make bordering up more difficult, and allowing players a fair chance to steal good planets.

As it stands currently, the best way to get a good sized win on someone is to hope they go inactive, or like accidentally build out of dp or something
S StargatersOP
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 122,223 units of White Crystal for 122,223,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 77,777 units of White Crystal for 77,777,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Red Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
7:25 AM 26/06/15 chosen bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
Not even close
S StargatersOP
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
7:03 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
5:45 AM 26/06/15 Roflmancer bought 1,000,000 units of Terran Metal for 1,000,000,000 $ !
5:45 AM 26/06/15 Roflmancer bought 1,000,000 units of Strafez Organism for 1,000,000,000 $ !
4:54 AM 26/06/15 NewRising bought 10,000 units of Terran Metal for 10,000,000 $ !
4:36 AM 26/06/15 Ap0caLypSe bought 10,000,000 units of Composite for 10,000,000,000 $ !
4:36 AM 26/06/15 fortythree bought 50,000,000 units of Strafez Organism for 50,000,000,000 $ !
4:36 AM 26/06/15 1stcamper bought 1,000,000 units of White Crystal for 1,000,000,000 $ !
4:36 AM 26/06/15 Ap0caLypSe bought 10,000,000 units of White Crystal for 10,000,000,000 $ !
4:36 AM 26/06/15 1stcamper bought 1,000,000 units of Composite for 1,000,000,000 $ !
4:14 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
4:14 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:14 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:14 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:14 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:12 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
4:12 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
S StargatersOP
4:12 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
4:12 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Kingme bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Rutile for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of White Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Red Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Red Crystal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
4:11 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
4:10 AM 26/06/15 Wishes bought 200,000 units of Composite for 200,000,000 $ !
4:05 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
4:05 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
4:05 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
3:55 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
3:55 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Terran Metal for 200,000,000 $ !
3:53 AM 26/06/15 wookiejedimaster bought 200,000 units of Strafez Organism for 200,000,000 $ !
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