Best Ships

I`m going to have to re-check my sim when I get time, i`m getting a more scenario losses for Aries and Tourmaline.

Also, what do you mean when you say you don`t have to do the defensive side because you`re already doing it?

You miss a lot of the guard ships cagito.

Aries loses to all 3 K. class and quartz on all stances and furthermore to ruby/fluorite/topaz/amethyst on aggro.

-procrastinating my work. Didn`t notice the character limit.

I never thought of basing it on % of scenario wins, I like that.

But if you base the best ship only on total wins and losses it doesn`t take into account how glorious the wins or crushing the defeats are.

C. Aries wins the most scenarios, but only by a small % for a lot of them.
Whereas, say, Tourmalines wins a sizeable majority of its scenarios, and by a pretty hefty % for most.

They`re both interesting ways of showing trends, but I personally think `best ship` should give at least some weight to how much it wins each scenario by. And (although difficult to give any kind of solid numbers) give a bit of weight on how commonly used or maybe even how good the defending ship is. I have scouts and D. Maru ships on defense wildly skewing numbers when they hardly ever get used.

Shouldn`t there be 5 scenarios? Careful, Normal Attacking/Normal Defense, and Aggressive Attacking/Aggressive Defense.

are you sure you`re calculating battles correctly, i`m not saying you aren`t or are but shouldn`t you show the math behind the system you`re using and perhaps the ships and attack types they beat C.Aries on.

but no C.Aries being very good or potentially the best ship in the game is very old news, i think we all know that is the reason why it`s build rate blows.

Sorry, not-smart question. My brain`s burnt out from math HW.

Wait a minute- "31 different scenarios out of 282 possible (include itself) or 279 excluding"?

When did fighting itself start counting as 3 scenarios?

Borrs is the best in my opion, add the fact that they capture and its not even close lol

Ryu Jin

OBVIOUSLY!

I am weirdly prepared for this thread. I made a battle sim in excel and made a table of every ship(including scouts, kal-zul and d.maru ships) against every other ship while being able to change the power ratings and attack style. Each battle is given a rating of the ratio of remaining ships (0 if no attacking ships left, 1 if no defending ships left, 0.5 if the same % of attacking and defending ships remain etc).

All of these numbers are assuming they are at the same PR (and a high PR, at low PR`s this is less accurate)

Discounting the NPC and rewards ships, on aggressive the top 5 battle ratios are:-
P. Thor - 0.7223
P. Odin - 0.6819
V. Borrelly - 0.6707
Pike - 0.6642
P. Zeus - 0.6626

Normal:-
Tourmaline - 0.7030
V. Borrelly - 0.6882
R. Sloop - 0.6318
M. Epidote - 0.5964
D. Hammerhead - 0.5926

Careful:-
Tourmaline - 0.7260
V. Borrelly - 0.6671
R. Sloop - 0.6453
D. Hammerhead - 0.6256
R. Pinnacle - 0.6214

This isn`t a perfect representation of ships, it doesn`t take into account damaging ships (if you damage a stack by %60, on its turn it`ll return %40 fire) meaning it`s more accurate at higher PRs.
It also doesn`t distinguish between both sides losing 1% ships and both sides losing 90% ships (it doesn`t matter when they`re at the same PR, but if one is higher it`s losing more PR in the same % of ship loss).
It also gives even weight to every ship regardless of how often it`s used (I mean, how often do you fight light frigates as a real stack?).
The averages here also include the ratio of the ships attacking scouts, Kal-zul and D.Maru ships.
All of the stats for these ships were taken from the manual, but I don`t know how accurate it is. I know it doesn`t have all of the kal-zul ships.

Lastly but not entirely related, surprisingly the Viator (but not the Viator II) is a very good defensive ship. It has a better defensive ratio(different to attacking ratio) then several non-scout ships (0.3998 on careful).

I`m very good at pro