Ships

Well, after simulating the shark (On defense, at a higher pr, and on multiple attack stances. Also against mostly missile ships) I`m still sticking to my thoughts. It lost most every time. Granted there were some left over, but still a loser ship. Thumbs down!

*Facepalm...

atleast last time i was hitting him for maur ships he did O.o if i remember it correctly

gengishran usually sports it with his 285k fleet brotherhood ;P

badwolf wins for the first real response to this, people forgot the AND WHY part it seems!

That`s kewl :)

sorry i meant to say without the no retal lol

updated my post to correct my error

Edited by BadWolf on 2012-07-05

BAdWolf, i agree with you on all thos selection, Shark is probably my fav! But yo made a mistake!!!!!! Pyth has no mods at all :)

Well, trying to put in some things to think over for Brotherhood, not an argument.

400 less pr, better range, and positive shields OR split damage and lower upkeep. Which ham-shield would you like? THE POWER IS YOURS, BROTHERHOOD!

So tl;dr i don`t really see how what you said changes anything of what i said in regards to virals.

then you`re taking mainly as a collective counter opposed to a ship for overall use in your fleet which is a poor choice.. but my primary points against it are it`s cost and single damage type.

Shark and Fenrir both have a overall better coverage for fleet usage (Fenrir being the most versatility due it`s no retal)

However shark has a overall better reach for virals who want to fight at mid-high pr range.. due to it`s low upkeep and suited survivability vs ships in that pr range..

Keep in mind that Collectives really have no answer for the Chlor though.

sorry for the wall of text lol

These are my general all in one choices but will ultimately depend upon what you want to do and your own style/limitations

Terran
Herc, Tyr, (Thor or Fenrir or Nirv or Guarda)

Herc: an all around good choice and good counter for many ships.. and even useful in stacks

Tyr: (Pure no retal ships are a plus!) Same can basically apply here for tyr good counter for many ships and works well in stacks

Thor: Good long ranged destroyer killer really unique one of it`s own due to it`s range should be one you consider bare min.

Fenrir: Meat shield with no retal.. you might ask why you would want or need a meat shield type ship the answer is simple: Defensive fleets. this meat shield is second best of the meat shield choices from the 3 races in my opinion.

Nirv: Good capital ships but really just a giant pyth i`d generally stay away from nirv

Guarda: Good long ranged energy boat (Generally you don`t really need energy boats in viral fleets and it lacks no retal generally i consider this the bottom choice out of the 4)

A.Miner
Lyth, (Flysch or Aragonite), (Chlorite or Chlor or Epidote)

Lyth: i`ve seen some people say if you have tyr you don`t need lyth or vice versa.. However this is really incorrect in many ways lyth and tyr do compliment each other. both are pure no retal.. Lyth has more survivability then tyr, and tyr has more damage per pr then lyth. (Basically in my personal opinion having both is a very wise choice)

Flysch & Aragonite: These are mostly just a toss up they basically fill the same role with different damage types.. Both are pure no retal .. both fit in a stack just fine.. Flysch has higher hull then arago, and Arago has a bit more damage per pr then flysch, Flysch is triple damage while arago is dual.. Basically just take whichever suits your style/mood best or hell flip a coin even..

Chlorite: truly a unique and under appreciated ship.. 9 range pure no retal missile boat which makes it great for defense and amazing in stacks! the only real con to this ship in my opinion is the fact that if you take thor + chlorite you`re left a bit missile heavy when it comes to destroyers so just comes down to your other ships/your own style

Chlor: Meat shield basically just like fenrir.. has a high upkeep and really is probably the third best choice out of 3 .. doesn`t have no retal and only shoots energy.. Basically take it if you really want it to each their own.

Epidote: Again like Gaurda long ranged energy boat.. not too much to say on it take it if you really want it or are going for something different..

Marauder
Pyth, Pike, (Tiger or Barracuda or Shark)

Pyth: Basically a cheap nirv without no retal and can also serve as a meat shield what`s not to love?

Pike: one of the best non-missile destroyers in the game.. Dual damage + 9 range + pure no retal.. you can`t go wrong picking pike as one of your ships regardless of what your style is..

Here`s where things get interesting the following choice should be based around what you`re missing in your ship makeup.. (As in no meat shield pick shark, No missile boat take tiger, otherwise barracuda is a okay choice)

Tiger: Probably one of the best missile boats in GC (probably overpowered in some regards even not a bad choice if you don`t have any missile destroyers from terran/miner)

Shark: Probably the best meat shield from the 3 races virals can take ships from dual damage and it can take heavy hits from almost anything and live insane survivability (seriously calc it if you don`t believe me)

Barracuda: Truthfully a lack luster choice.. if you don`t need shark or tiger go for barracuda just to give yourself an extra no retal destroyer or pick something else from the race that suits your needs..

Edited by BadWolf on 2012-07-05

There`s a few I would always make sure to get, and the rest can be debated over or whatnot.

Terran: Herc, Tyr (+ Nirv/ Thor/ Ryu)

Miner: Lyth, Chlor (+ Arag/ Flysch/ Chlorite)

Marauder: Pyth, Pike (+ Tiger/ Barracuda)

All depends on your play style but there`s my two cents.

No you wouldn`t be able to