Well as many of you know we suspended UW ship rewards for some time our solution for now is to create three different ships for those who set off UW`s the UW.Class basically from this point on when ever someone sets off a UW they will get one ship from this class, If they set off another UW as a different race they will gain another ship from the list, and if they set off a third from a race they haven`t UW`d from they will gain the last and final ship in the class,
There is more to this post (i ran out of room) look back it`s the first reply and make sure you read it all before posting because i may answer some of your questions down there.
UW. Eins Cruiser
E: 0
K: 1,250
M: 2,250
C: 0
H: 3,500
S: 104
Range: 8
PR: 4441
BR: 8
Upkeep (844 for guards) ( 2,220 For collective and Maru) (4,929 For Virals and Terran) (6,883 for Miners )
Shields
ES: -45%
KS: 35%
ECM: 35%
IH: 0%
No Retal
Mineral requirements
(5 WC, 2 TM, and 2 RC, for guards) ( 5 WC, 2 TM, and 2 RC, For collective and Maru) (10 WC, 6 TM, and 6 RC For Virals and Terran) (15 WC, 8 TM, 8 RC for Miners )
This would be the first ship received by everyone, Duel Damage and two positive shield mods.
UW.Zwei Dreadnought
E: 7,000
K: 4,000
M: 7,500
C: 0
H: 27,000
S: 1100
Range: 7
PR: 27,706
BR: 2
Upkeep (5,541 for guards) ( 14,130 For collective and Maru) (31,861 For Virals and Terran) (44,329 for Miners )
Shields
ES: 15%
KS: -50%
ECM: 65%
IH: 65%
No Retal
No Defense
Mineral requirements
( 24 of each for guards) ( 27 of each For collective and Maru) ( 100 of each For Virals and Terran) ( 350 of each for Miners )
This would be the Ship received for 2 UW`s Triple damage type and Three positive shield mods.
UW.Drei Destroyer
E: 500
K: 300
M: 700
C: 100
H: 2000
S: 80
Range: 8
PR: 2,032
BR: 15
Upkeep (447 for guards) ( 1,097 For collective and Maru) (2,418 For Virals and Terran) (3,291 for Miners )
Shields
ES: 30%
KS: 60%
ECM: 10%
IH: 50%
Mineral requirements
( 2 So, 2 C, and 2 RT of each for guards) ( 3So, 3 C, and 3 RT For collective and Maru) ( 6 So, 6, C and 6 RT For Virals and Terran) ( 10 So, 10 C, and 10 RT of each for Miners )
This would the the ship reward for 3 UW`s all 4 damage types and 4 positive shields as such the hull is kept low and it lacks no retal and no defense
All ships have fairly expensive upkeep in comparison to the race because each one of these ships are fairly spamable for some of the races the high upkeep was compensated by a lower mineral cost.
Edited by EphemeralEternity on 2012-05-30
UW Ship Rewards Solution
Started by EphemeralEternity
· 30/05/2012 · 08:32 AM
· 108 replies
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Apollo
i could be in the wrong here, but ive always though the guardian ship list redesign that occurred after G/D class was made un capturable should have been reversed
you know what i find unfair.. i spent all this time reversing my G class, and D class ships on my viral empire.. then the admins of the time made them uncaptureable now this shouldn`t have effected my empire i had the ships from long before when they were captureable but the admins had the nerve to remove my D/G class ships. I mean all that work gone and for what? to put everyone on equal ground when things were changed how unfair!
TL;DR a complete and utter change to how something works should easily warrant everyone be brought to equal footing immediately. To be given a year to keep something which is no longer applicable is more then fair.
However if none of you are for the change then i have no problem removing UW Ship Rewards.. Given that they also would no longer be applicable then i`d also be removing all earned ships.
TL;DR a complete and utter change to how something works should easily warrant everyone be brought to equal footing immediately. To be given a year to keep something which is no longer applicable is more then fair.
However if none of you are for the change then i have no problem removing UW Ship Rewards.. Given that they also would no longer be applicable then i`d also be removing all earned ships.
Call it bias, Call it unfair, call it a political move to oust a former admins lack of foresight. call it punishment, call it ridiculous, call it a tribulation to test your patience. threaten to quit. you can think want you want.
the fact remains the ship(s) you gained were a bonus, losing them is not going to be detrimental to your empire it forces you to be on the same footing as everyone else, yes you earned it, job well done you got your name on a page where no one looks, you gave your fed mates an advantage over your enemies, you gained artifacts, you gained a planet which boosted the start of your empire.
the plan and simple reason i am going to deny giving past winners these ships is because its much easier to keep up with the new list starting now with the new rules as they are now.
you still get the use of the ship for year, an entire year. make good use of it. i am not going to change my mind about this.
Edited by EphemeralEternity on 2012-05-30
the fact remains the ship(s) you gained were a bonus, losing them is not going to be detrimental to your empire it forces you to be on the same footing as everyone else, yes you earned it, job well done you got your name on a page where no one looks, you gave your fed mates an advantage over your enemies, you gained artifacts, you gained a planet which boosted the start of your empire.
the plan and simple reason i am going to deny giving past winners these ships is because its much easier to keep up with the new list starting now with the new rules as they are now.
you still get the use of the ship for year, an entire year. make good use of it. i am not going to change my mind about this.
Edited by EphemeralEternity on 2012-05-30
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wingnut
Ridiculous.
it`s not a punishment, if it were punishment we`d be removing them right now, a year should be long enough time to plan a UW with those ships and attempt to gain these new ships. besides the ships you got were a bonus, and 1/3rd of a bonus, we won`t be removing the bonus planets or artifacts.
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wingnut
If you think that carry-over ships had an effect on repeat UW`s, just offer the people who have carry-over ships a single new ship. Again, why do you think that some empires need to be punished?
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wingnut
My Miner UWs on RT and Ultra could not have abused a lakko loophole frozenflamer.
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wingnut
If someone has an old reward ship in their shiplist and wants it replaced instead of removed, there is no reason they shouldn`t be able to do that. In many cases, a LOT of time and effort was put into UWing based on the incentives offered. Additionally, many empires have been set up based upon the ship that they carry. The fact that their set up is totally wasted seems like punishment enough (even though I can`t think of any reason at all that these empires should be punished)
Earned What a laugh, you mean those who abused M.lakko over and over to gain all their UWs. I dont think id call it earning when it`s given to away because certain peoples fed mates historia the only 5 people will or capable of fighting back while someone spams M.lakko or H.Galleon or what ever cheap ship they took over from their only real UW
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wingnut
why not just leave old UW ships or replace them with the new reward? It doesn`t make sense to revoke something that someone earned legitimately.
Eh.
Why can`t anyone ever leave well enough alone...
Why can`t anyone ever leave well enough alone...
are you addressing me Thx?
it`s easier to keep up with restarting the count now, and with the new rule of forcing people to UW from three different races..
At least those people who UW in the past have had those ships to use in the past and will continue to have the use of them for a year to come. That also gives them all a year to try and UW meaning they have an advantage with the ships they currently have. we won`t take away the planet rewards from them just the ship rewards to stop people being able to continue use very low cost ship on terran/miner accounts ect.. or being able to have collective ships as non collective races..
Also the past winners list is now incomplete and alot of those people who have UW`d have quit and some have come back...but nothing would stop a person from starting an account using an old name from the list and claiming they were that person and demanding the rewards. we`d have no proof that they weren`t who they said they were. and it`s not fair to only give the rewards to those we`re 100% sure about who they are.
Perhaps this will also spark interest in those who`ve UW`d before to get out there and play again instead of being comfy with what they have.
as it stands now i think only the last two people who`ve UW`d are eligible to gain the rewards, and the only reason they`ll be getting them is really compensation for being forced to wait so long for this issue to be resolved, and they`ve been without their ship for some time.
At least those people who UW in the past have had those ships to use in the past and will continue to have the use of them for a year to come. That also gives them all a year to try and UW meaning they have an advantage with the ships they currently have. we won`t take away the planet rewards from them just the ship rewards to stop people being able to continue use very low cost ship on terran/miner accounts ect.. or being able to have collective ships as non collective races..
Also the past winners list is now incomplete and alot of those people who have UW`d have quit and some have come back...but nothing would stop a person from starting an account using an old name from the list and claiming they were that person and demanding the rewards. we`d have no proof that they weren`t who they said they were. and it`s not fair to only give the rewards to those we`re 100% sure about who they are.
Perhaps this will also spark interest in those who`ve UW`d before to get out there and play again instead of being comfy with what they have.
as it stands now i think only the last two people who`ve UW`d are eligible to gain the rewards, and the only reason they`ll be getting them is really compensation for being forced to wait so long for this issue to be resolved, and they`ve been without their ship for some time.
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THX1138
r u German?
I am curious why if, eventuslly, you remove previous UW ships, you wont replace them? What maked past UWs worth less than future ones? I guess the same question might have been asked the first time rewards were introduced ... Still a good question though.
UW.Drei Destroyer
This is beast!
This is beast!
@ Apollo, G class kills almost every collective ships :(
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Apollo
im ok with those names as well
i like the german numbers
I think this is a very good solution to the problem of bringing low upkeep ships to rich races. Very nice work EE and other staff!
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