UW Ship Rewards Solution

That also wasn`t quite what i was saying in my post.

Some clarification the issues come up with giving player owned ships in the first place, and the removal of ships is to due with them no longer being applicable to the current system.

Please read the full post if you didn`t and then If you need me to clarify anything just ask.

In other words, keeping your ships causes coding errors that may impact other players. Interesting... Makes sense to me.

Something i want to make clear is the numerous issues which were both not fully known or otherwise ignored by the admin at the time who decided to proceed with the idea as it was.

By no means am i implying anything bad about him but what i am saying is this only was looked at for the SHORT term and before he could even review the effects it`s had over time a certain number of event took place which i`m sure some of you remember but i`m not posting to go into that.

Couple of things i want to note which are primary reasons for the changes being brought about at all.

First is max number of ships that can be contained in a shiplist (this has odd and very buggy coding which is dependent on numerous factors) When max ships is reached or surpassed the empire is somehow corrupted in a way which can only be repaired via restart. Don`t know if he was aware of this or not when he implemented it..

Second is giving player controlled ships is not as easy as you might think it`s not a simple matter of "Give Player H.Galleon" and were done it`s a rather complex procedure which depends on how many ships are linked together. To give ships ships which aren`t being given must be unlinked from the ship in question, given to the empire, the ships relinked, and servers sometimes refreshed. This procedure also leaves room for problems such as empires not getting ships (Has happened in the past), or even memory leaks between GC and UC which causes very bad problems (Has happened Once in the past).

There are more reasons such as balance issues but i only wanted to provide you all with an outline of WHY the review was brought about and this course decided upon to make things easier for both us as admins and everyone else as players.

As for why the removal of the ships you had would take place at all is very simple they would no longer be applicable under the new ship rewards system. This is the same as why people who have done UW`s before UW Rewards even existed are not entitled to get UW Rewards.

The fact EphemeralEternity would allow you to keep your ship rewards for a year instead of removing them when and if this becomes official is very generous of him. Because from that point out they are no longer applicable.

Edited by BadWolf on 2012-06-02

well then, doesn`t that defeat the original purpose of getting more people to uw?
had I known it, I wouldn`t have blown my great tax miner on slow and just wait rather than go collective and get run over like this.
sure you can argue that it was my own decision, but it was still a decision fueled by the offer put on the table by the admins. now I am in no way saying that I don`t appreciate what`s being done, but I just feel that its quite messed up that our thoughts aren`t quite considered given the effort and planing we`ve put into our empires over the years.

that being said I don`t expect anything to be changed. heh.

There is no choice in this I`m fairly certain. Getting land rewarded has never been the problem, it`s the additional ships going to races that really shouldn`t have them that`s the problem, and thus the resolution that the admins have come up with.

Just dig for stuff you need to make gordos and after a few weeks to months, you`ll solve your 10k land problem... I`d rather keep the ships too if faced with the choice...

you know, having given thought to this, I`d rather give up 10k land and have the ships.

hey hey u are argueing :P

"the plan and simple reason i am going to deny giving past winners these ships is because its much easier to keep up with the new list starting now with the new rules as they are now."

(again, paraphrasing what I just said) Not if you have to go to each empire manually and take away their UW ships. If you`re already in the account making changes, then surely it`s not too much trouble to replace the ship with another one. But again, I don`t know how the UW ship removal process works.

Again, I don`t mean to argue, I`m just asking so please don`t feel like I am attacking you or undermining you in any way. I have full confidence in your ability to deal with my confusion.

Actually, Arch makes a very good point. If you have to go to each individual UW empire to take away the ship, why is it so hard to simply replace it with a UW ship depending on how many times they UWed with that account? I mean it`s pretty clear that when you go to my Normal server account, I and Fuzzy are going to be the only two miners with the Galleon.

Of course, I don`t know how the whole process works, but if what Arch and I postulate is correct, then it seriously undermines the "we won`t give you the new ships cuz it`s too hard and don`t want to waste the time" argument.

Mind you, you don`t have to give the new ships to empires that UWed, but have since gone inactive and lost their ships only to become active again. It`s pretty well understood that either way, they have lost whatever advantage they gained from the UW when they went inactive.

So again? What gives?

I didnt mean to spark the vitriol. Let me say that i think these new ships are pretty well designed (unlike the neutral redesign which is a different issue. Sure beats the kohoutek which i gained for one of my UWs.

My comment was that if uw ships were to be taken away, presumably manually, it seems easy enough to replace. But i can accept not having that.

Are you continuing the strange events that occur when one of these is attacked?

Looks like testing.

Its Jäger and Kämpfer or Jaeger and Kaempfer in German :)

So this idea is now being tested or will it be implemented anytime soon?

I am loving trying to paste these new ships! They`re tough but not unbeatable. Good job EE