Maru income is too powerful

Lets also keep in mind that Maru`s still have one of the slowest average build rates of all the races. Probably only second to collective. Doesn`t matter how much you *can* build, if you can`t make it there in the first place lol

A few points:

fuzzy: the bases dont really matter that much on TB. RT may be a diff story...but TB diff. They were already nerfed beyond measure, there`s 0 point building bases now because all they can kill is a queen spam. Hoko utterly sucks. Lakko used to be pretty decent, but it`s just average. Kyro`s always been a waste of time.

masta: First of all, that wasn`t my argument. Just making a point and intentionall bragging on the forums about myself. Also, let`s say that it was an argument. True, other ppl did UWs faster than me, but you have to factor in the fact that I was never able to steal any C3s when I was a maru. Had I been able to, I could have probably UWed in a week. All of the other fast UWs you mentioned involved stealing C3s...so, sorry. Your logic isn`t as strong as it could be when scrutinized. My coll UW getting thru is another story, it was probably mostly due to support from my friends...and timing. Colls also make a lot of food with 10k planet, so that also helped a little bit.

Trav: Yeah, plunder marus will get screwed. I`m sorry but I don`t feel much for plunder marus. When you chose this income path you decided that it was okay to play the lower PRs. Plunder is actually a very OP form of income when you consider that all you have to do is attack and plunder. Little patient/empire maintenance required. If ship upkeeps go up, you guys can still play the lower ranks fine.

If anything, plunder should have been nerfed a while back imo. On some of the slower servers I believe it is currently equal or may even be slightly better than agri maru pending food prices.

FOUNDERS: 1-2 C2s and larges and gordo up? First of all, I can`t gordo on TB. Second of all, I`d be making maybe 1/10 (incomeupkeep wise) of what a maru hoarding with like 4x my land is making. On TB, being unexplorable isn`t even THAT big of a deal...it`s the base PR that kills ya....

The limited number of marauders does prove its not as over powered as you say GW. Food maybe at 20 one day and 5 the next. A 60 planet maru can`t explore a 60 planet aminer can. If you want lots of income as tax miner you can have 1 or 2 c`2s and a large that you Gordo up and still explore. A maru does not have that option so you can`t compare them.

To Pseudo-piggyback off and add to something Omeg mentioned earlier: Both historically and currently, there are still more Marauders running dedicated or nearly dedicated plunder set-ups. Add that to the relatively tiny population of Maru players over-all, I feel there is really no reason to be raising dust over the perceived issue/s...

And that`s not even touching upon how potentially disastrous and debilitating an upkeep nerf would be to those plunder Maru`s, already struggling due the stagnant/declining player base.

I WILL agree that a food price cap would be nice.

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Im buying all the food cus i dont want my people to starve dont cry cus food prices will be verry high and marus will make more $ lol

The fact i had a guard on rt with over 5mil base pr, i understand the pain. And thats rt no less...but your empire on fast is it? with that base could be a pain if no ones in ranks..but its easier to war and fight due to only having maybe 3-4 people on a tb server at a time? Also you have to remember that maru only has 10 colonies..which is the lowest/equal to coll..which makes clustering/hording ALOT harder...plus no starbases? unlike the 3 miners have so..income wise sure give maru the edge and base pr ok if there tax miner. but in almost everything else? i see miner is better. thats coming from a player who has player maru for almost 2 years and miner for well..lost count haha. so im not agreeing or disagreeing about maru. just saying every race has its issues

I see AccordEx doing a miner UW in 37 days on fast

20/12/09 AccordEX Fast A.Miner 37 113,002,818

and your own were with a 75 day old miner/coll empire.

so if this is how your argument goes then several races seem to be more in need of a nerf than marauders.

Omeg: its fine that taxers have a challenge, but when you look at races like maru who have better income:upkeep ratios, dont have the same base PR...it immediately strikes as unfair.

something like 1-2 mil base PR is manageable but when you get into the super base PR regions (5-6 mil)...it`s just not worth it...and I dont think that`s right. Because there will always be a downtrend on food then, and a lot of the market instability comes from the fact that many big miners will simply UW, or VM and stop playing for a while since they cant keep borders.

I think its bad for the game as a whole to have these dynamics in play.

Base PR - my argument there would be, it wouldn`t be an issue 5 years ago, the problem is lower player base now, to where yes, there is an issue with enough people above said base pr to make fighting effective for taxers. That is part of the challenge and risks being a tax miner or any tax race that goes above their explore limit. Thus you see many taxers stay near 60-125 planets most times. Rarely few taxers go above that for obvious reasons.

It is mainly an upkeep issue, regardless of the argument at hand, nerfing the income is pointless looking at the EE data at hand. (Because food is not constant it is volatile). Upkeep change might be the only sufficient solution, however it would be wiser to compare apples to apples if you want to attack it from not just the econ route, but also the ship route. the hull/pr ration, etc at same prs for say a miner versus marauder, I would see somewhat a different picture depending how I wish to critique my data. Anyhow, if anything I think other races are more of a concern than Marauder and Tax Miner honestly.

Obviously Marauder isn`t too OP, or there would be more than 4 on the server, I`m sure.

You have a point FIST.

But managing a TAX miner unexplorable with like 6+ mil base PR is WAAAAAAAY harder than the maru. it doesn`t even COMPARE!

also, I was able to do a maru UW in 174 days on fast...it`s not like the hardest empire to set up (that honour would belong to either guardians or collectives, imo)

27/05/10 grantweep Fast Marauder 174 145,555,555

Managing tax miner empire is like making scrambled eggs, it is so easy. Manging a maru empire requires fighting, hording and much more. You knock a maru down from 300 mil PR you have to hve a back up plan and someone to attack to get your borders back. It takes 3 times the work or more to establish a good maru empire.

so few people play maru that it is hardly worth crying about it on forums. and btw i think guards and virals have much better ships than a.miner

Grantweep stop crying there`s verry few Marus as it is they are the # 1 target on the ranks there never out and about you just want to scrue with all the other races that have the ships get over yourself I can`t beleave you made another thread