Nerf agri maru income. They are too powerful. Pretty sure the upkeep/income ratio exceeds that of tax miners. That doesn`t make sense to me...
That is all.
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grantweepOP
I just have one thing to say
Started by grantweep
· 30/04/2012 · 02:59 AM
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Apollo
while im for raising maru upkeep further to mess with virals, im also for lowering miners tax mod
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grantweepOP
okay so first of all what you are describing is a very very hypothetical situation. It almost never happens on TB. I challenge you to give me an example of an aminer empire that has huge infra, hoards NON mineral planets and has lost them but come back. I`ll give you 1 empire that I know of, Renegade on ultra. And now you know that marus can be invincible too, at the cost of 30 days or so of inactivity. 30 days. That`s 3000 turns on a server like normal. That`s not very many turns. 1 infra level past 100 and 4 infra levels 33-100. Seems like a reasonable investment to have your infra back.
On the other hand, in exchange for this supposed benefit: what do aminers have to pay?6-12x higher base PR compared to their agri maru counter parts with equal land...remember that the HIGHER the infra, the higher the base PR.
On the other hand, in exchange for this supposed benefit: what do aminers have to pay?6-12x higher base PR compared to their agri maru counter parts with equal land...remember that the HIGHER the infra, the higher the base PR.
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Apollo
but aminers dont have to do this
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grantweepOP
actually the maru doesn`t have to restart. You can go inactive and then re-activate your account. You lose all artis/ship research but you get to keep your infra.
It`s a little known fact, but the admins allow this.
It`s a little known fact, but the admins allow this.
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grantweepOP
JJ: On TB, that would take a while and you wouldn`t have max infra. There is only 1 dude I know that has max infra and he would die if he lost his homeworld.
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Apollo
but you DO have the option of getting them back or making new ones. while the maru has to restart
well...maybe not max..but u definitely dont have to start from zero again.
except you still have your max infra and can still explore a nice c2 or 3
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grantweepOP
yeah, but you dont have your clusters anymore. you would be about as useful as a dead maru
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Apollo
just because you lost your hoarded clusters doesnt mean you died, unless aminers dont have homeworlds on TB. if thats the case then ill stop talking.
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grantweepOP
actually, on TB a tax miner hoarder with super high base PR is probably more likely to die on the battlefield apollo.
agri marus have much lower base PRs to boot and they ironically take borders from tax empires at base with ease.
agri marus have much lower base PRs to boot and they ironically take borders from tax empires at base with ease.
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GhostofJ
i dont think very many will complain about a few more people going maru instead of miner. as PP said, its not like maru`s fill the ranks.
very funny apollo xD
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Apollo
"Why should I even bother going tax miner if marus are so awesome"
because a bad week on the battle field doesnt mean your empire will DIE....
because a bad week on the battle field doesnt mean your empire will DIE....
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grantweepOP
Well Omeg, having just done the calculations, with food prices @ 10 and no CGs, Marus have the exact same income/upkeep ratio...assuming maru ships are average 1/5 upkeep:PR and miner ships are on average 1:1 PR.
Why should I even bother going tax miner if marus are so awesome
Why should I even bother going tax miner if marus are so awesome
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Omegian
I am going to wait on EE`s plan, as much as a skeptic I am and how little things can be changed about "artis", I will remain silent there.
As for agri maru, meh their income isn`t really as absurd as you claim it to be, its really their upkeep, however ... their upkeep has already been increased once, maybe twice in my life. As for the tax miner ... uhm their upkeep/income ratio is the highest still when I look at it from 2 maxed empires with same landish tax miner vs agri maru wise.
As for agri maru, meh their income isn`t really as absurd as you claim it to be, its really their upkeep, however ... their upkeep has already been increased once, maybe twice in my life. As for the tax miner ... uhm their upkeep/income ratio is the highest still when I look at it from 2 maxed empires with same landish tax miner vs agri maru wise.
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grantweepOP
More empires with ships carried over doesn`t mean that there is a bigger problem with the UW reward system. You aren`t making logical sense. There could be just 1 agri maru, but agri marus could still be OP
This thread was about Income/upkeep ratio and thats why i did not mention arti problem here. Another problem is that we dont have tool to fix the arti problem. But I completely agree with you that it is a problem.
There are probably more empires with ships carried over than there are agri marauders in this game..... This is for sure correct if we only look at TB and might also be if RT is considered too.
There are probably more empires with ships carried over than there are agri marauders in this game..... This is for sure correct if we only look at TB and might also be if RT is considered too.
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grantweepOP
hilariously enough...my initial suggestion was to fix maru income/upkeep ratio. And this included the possibility to making pyth more expensive...
so you fail at even trying to discredit me. Try reading what I wrote next time, thanks!
so you fail at even trying to discredit me. Try reading what I wrote next time, thanks!
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grantweepOP
Full perspective? gimme a break, if you want to truly fix the game, dont dwell on the small details like a few empires having pyth.
Individual ships don`t impact an already rich empire. Take it from me. I have a rich empire, and i couldn`t care less if pyth was more expensive I`d still own you all.
If you want to fix the game and go big picture, we need to fix artis so that europeans and asians don`t get a monopoly on them. But I dont see you complaining about this.
Individual ships don`t impact an already rich empire. Take it from me. I have a rich empire, and i couldn`t care less if pyth was more expensive I`d still own you all.
If you want to fix the game and go big picture, we need to fix artis so that europeans and asians don`t get a monopoly on them. But I dont see you complaining about this.
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