I just have one thing to say

meh, I`d much rather have pike/borr ( super OP now with like 3x BR increase) and the ability to have lyth, herc and pyth on a non UW empire.

miners have good ships but their lyth got nerfed and lictor change made them more defensive. overall with recent shiplist changes...most races are pretty homogenous and on even footing really. It`s the base PR that needs to be fixed. That is the only problem imo.

personally i feel the miner ship list is a bit oped, spam or stack on careful and hit from 2x and you win 1-2 they have three bases to choice from all of which are pretty cheap compared to their other ships upkeeps/pr ratio.

the sheer numbers of miners especially those that hoard should be a testament to the strengths of their shiplist. now i`m not saying that miners have the versatility of virals with their ships, but it`s hard to kill all of a miners ships, stack or spam for both parties even with the right line up due to their racial ships hulls and shields even if there weapons are a little lacking....

also miners have 9 ships that build over 50k a turn 3 being bases and 1 being paid...so as far as base pr`s go miners have it the easiest out off all tax type races save guard unless for what ever reason a viral decides to pick all capitals, lets not forget that tax miners make alot more per turn that other tax races as well. but yeah....more to come ect...

as far as maru are concerned yes they can make alot of money, and yes other races can become unexplorable, but the rest of those races at least get to be pretty choosy and efficient with the colonies they get up til then unlike collective and maru...

also agri collective have a far greater potential to be op`d with the same lvl/land as a maru.
i`m not disagreeing with the fact that All Agri stats might need to be adjusted. they might need a review, but that will take alot of further discussion.

and Staff doesn`t have the ability to change racial mods...the last time they were changed it took much begging we`re talking about essays and essays of begging over weeks and weeks...but what stephen complies with once perhaps he will again especially over something so seemingly simple as changing a number

dangedYankee your completely not-smart if you think you will get your counters on me silly

hey yankee, blatant name calling isnt a valid insult. try again.

AsI said on the other thread grant, if current base pr is fair to tax virals, who make much less than miners after upkeep, there is zero reason lowering tax miner mod would make current base pr unfair for tax miners.

only reason for you to be changing races is to run from my counters that will send your punk @ss under your security blanket that you could not get rid of since you were still trying to get milk from your fathers t!t since there was not mother there!

i should go maru so there will be more food on the market and grantweep can cry how powerful i will be

ooo your funny dangedYankee suck it ill be seeing u on the battlefield

he is making himself look not-smart...at least he is creative and not seeming like he does not belong, like you, d!ck

stop crying grantweep your making your self look verry not-smart

your facts are messing with the status quo, sir. could you please take them somewhere where ppl care.

we around here (including stephen) like to ignore the facts, and as im sure it would take stephen to change the race mods, this thread will solve nothing.

real mature buddy, QQ when none of your ideas come to fruition,

im done wth this thread, you havent convinced me and i have nothing more to say. so ill just move along.