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I just have one thing to say

Started by grantweep · 30/04/2012 · 02:59 AM · 90 replies · 1 read
G grantweepOP
Nerf agri maru income. They are too powerful. Pretty sure the upkeep/income ratio exceeds that of tax miners. That doesn`t make sense to me...

That is all.
S Sibiriangun
And ofc we all knew you were pyth spamming in VM... but as you had kept in VM for months I figured you would stay there.

So I actually didnt consider you at all... I had been sitting up there digging since the UW, so ofc I was all fez. Sometimes you should consider that the world of GC doesnt revolve around you alone...

Sigh you just wont leave it... if we dont hist you, you spam pyth in VM untill you are at 2x and hit us all... the best way to deal with such a tactic is ofc to keep you in VM.
R Renegade Admin
Ah. Fair point, MD xD I kinda make it a point to know whose in my feds.
S Sibiriangun
Yeah I told DM a few months ago since he already had a pretty good idea who it was... which was after TBK started on ultra, lol
M MajorDinero
it`s a surprise because at the time DM and the rest of the crew thought Achilleus was TBK LOL
M MajorDinero
I didnt know that Ren. I stopped playing ultra like a year ago :P
R Renegade Admin
Are you saying that to point it out to others, or did you actually not know that, MD? o.0
M MajorDinero
And relax, you didnt think I was pyth spamming when I was VM building...you obviously thought I was going lyth judging by the fleet you build last time we met.

So, why would you be so scared of a lyth spam and not a pyth spam? Yeah, I know. It`s because lyth is a better ship overall...I just spammed pyth instead and outsmarted all of you. If you REALLY think that pyth is OP, then you would have put me on a pyth spam instead of a lyth spam. nuff said.

And oh yeah, a lot of talk of `wanting to fight` coming from the guy who spams me down with historia repeatedly like a little girl whenever my DP timer hits 23 hours. Also, the same person who wasted like 10+ BTC trying to kill my pyths. Failing the first time because yes, pyth does beat tyr 2x ;) and eventually succeeding at a pyrrhic cost.

Also, keep complaining about VMing building. I have dealt with it all my GC career just fine, without having to use a single BTC mind you.
M MajorDinero
Achilleus = Sibby?

Wow. mind blown.
A Achilleus
Lol MD if you dont understand my argument I will spell it our for you. Feel free to ask again if its still not clear to you. The reason im saying ship carryovers are imbalanced is NOT because of the ship stats! It is because of the UPKEEP!
As you can probably figure out yourself bringing herc to miner or bringing lyth to terran is NOT a big problem, as they more or less fit the general upkeep level of their ships. But bringing coll or maru ships to miners/terrans ARE imbalanced due to the 1/5 upkeep/pr level, which is far BELOW the general level of terran/miner ships.

Do you get me now?

And wow, do you actually dare to come out now that we are 400% below you? Amazing!
M MajorDinero
You cant artis out Omeg, unless you want to also disable UWs on TB.
O Omegian
Take out artifacts in the game would really show some colors of some people and how well they fight or don`t, disabling enslavement would be useful as well, I dislike the ship carryover the more I see it because most times people will take a ship to cover some of their other ship weaknesses. I would rather fight a terran or viral than an aminer with galleon honestly or marauder with galleon. I don`t mind the challenge, but fighting from already a non-paid side versus those that are paid with those ships and the extra turns to build with makes me even more at a disadvantage, but not impossible.
G grantweepOP
hey, I`ll tell you what: if you can stop histing me for 1 DP cycle, maybe I`ll stop VMing.

Go on, I dare you.
G grantweepOP
Sibby: the arti problem is more profound. Why?

Because only europeans and asians can dig. Last I checked, everyone has the ability to build hecklar and loctar.

Also, having looked and nearly every single ship combination I`ve tried hard to find an OP ship combination but I was never able to do so. This is because marudian wisely made it so that you can`t take G or D class. This simple fact balances UW rewards, you can take all the ships that you want, but there is no two spam that can be unbeatable.

Ships like pyth are easy to take down (you`d know, just a few BTC and like 1000`s of turns of pyth melt)

Ships like gal/pike which are also popular suck turnwise, so unless you can come up with a good argument besides: "Oh, I just don`t feel like it`s right!"

don`t even bother okay?
S Sibiriangun
And the blatant abuse of VM ofc.
S Sibiriangun
I dont see where agri marus become a bigger balancing problem than carrying cheap UW ships over to a race where they werent intended. Ship carryover is, as I see it, a problem on the same level as gordos on RT and BTCs on TB.
E EphemeralEternity
also BV, depoping becomes less and less strategically, intelligent/viable as you move down in server speed....it is a tad unfair that taxers are the only econ type that must kill off their infra in times of hardship or ect... but usually the higher income makes up for that....and all of this would be much less of an issue if there were more players on all servers....not to mention if stephen would have made a button you could push be side your colonies to turn off and on the side effects/benefits of that colony.
E EphemeralEternity
well TPE, not to disagree with you, but i will play devils advocate, collective can only use clusters they make for agri, which limits them plus the larger the cluster they make the worse the planetary mod for agri, Also both collective an Maru aren`t really ones to gordo there own planets because killing all their borders would hurt unless they are hiding in np...so a maru at least has the potential to use captured gordo`d planets while a collective could never do such a thing unless someone gordo`d a non u class single planet...also u ferts go along way to make up for the -50% to agri.

Edited by EphemeralEternity on 2012-04-30
T ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
Grant they are down by -50 percent.. If anything coll`s need the nerfing.. not-smart.
E EphemeralEternity
pike and borr aren`t going to help much though when you have a base pr of 3.5 mil and you know your going to get 2xed and you only have 80 turns...
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