Paid Ships Changes.

OP 03/01/2012 · 01:32 AM #1

Below are the proposed changes for Paid ships to make them more worth your hard earned money. Look them over and add any comments suggestions and concerns as always, most of them look a bit Op`d and some of them are slightly Op`d but they`re also "Paid" ships so they should have some decent advantage to having them besides another ship in your shiplist. Note that there are two versions of the Broad Sword. Please vote for one and only one.

After a week of discussion we will implement the changes and open up the DM for testing for another week, we could use lots of real data. they have been tested, but Real world testing is always much much better.

C.Leo

E: 500 > 650
K: 500 > 650
M: 0
C: 0
H: 5,000 >4,500
S: 175 > 176
R: 7
PR: 2,848 > 3,006
BR: 10
Upkeep 2,100 >2,500

ES 20 > 10
KS 15 >5
ECM -30 >-25
CS 0

Mineral requirements
TM 0
RC 5 > 6
WC 7 >9
RT 0 > 0
C 6 > 8
SO 0

Ret No >yes
Def No > yes

B Sword Assault ver.

E: 0
K: 700 > 1100
M: 0
C: 0
H: 1,000 >750
S: 80 > 12
R: 9
PR: 1,116
BR: 20 > 25
Upkeep 635 > 752

Strafez King

Br:40 >50
Upkeep 60 >53

Mineral requirements
RC 0
WC 0
RT 0
C 0
SO 45 >40

Fenrir

E: 350 > 450
K: 250 > 400
M: 0
C: 0
H: 2,800 >2000
S: 68 > 60
R: 8
PR: 1,512
BR: 18
Upkeep 1350

ES 20 > -15
KS -30 >10
ECM 30 >25
CS 0

Continued...

Edited by ShatterdDreams on 2012-01-07

Edited by ShatterdDreams on 2012-01-13

A Apollo

03/01/2012 · 04:32 PM #27

i think the cronus redesign looks good, if you lower the range to 7.... maybe make the zen range 5 otherwise looks op

assault bsword
- why not take the current bsword and add no retal and make that the assault just my opinion

i dont like what you did to the fenrirs shields, but i like the damage increase

R Raistilin

03/01/2012 · 04:32 PM #26

So you can starbase up while in dp, then vm again when it looks like the wind might attack you too? Son, you can do that now ^^

K keltikelti

03/01/2012 · 03:10 PM #25

yep i`m gonna keep not playing..
do the starbase re-designs already

A Archaeoptyrex

03/01/2012 · 12:47 PM #24

I think the Cronus is already pretty good ... maybe half-way between the current, and suggested would be better.

I would say that the sapphire is already fairly good ... it is a deadly fodder-killer, and possibly already prevents UW`s on slow server :)

As for the broadsword, of course the assault version! Most of the neutrals are so defensive.

D DraconianParadise

03/01/2012 · 09:19 AM #23

B.Sword Assault ftw !

Zen is fine as it is i feel, but have only played against Guards not as a Guard

Having recently been a Collective, i agree about the Cosair

The rest i am in favour of, apart from i think Leo is fine as it is, apart from be nice to have No retal

Well done to all the stuff and their input, good job !

A ArchAng3l

03/01/2012 · 08:06 AM #22

Leo == Good. Maybe this time it`s finally worthwhile for guard to build expensive c class
B sword assault version == love another long range ship
King == not bad.. save some cash
Fenrir == decent, not too OP
sapphire == no idea
Thresher == boost in firepower, and hull plus pr.. might be too good in my opinion especially with a multi weapons range 7 ship. I`ll give up zen for this anytime.. lol
Cronus: a nice boost.. donno if it`s OP
corsair, a decent boost too especially with 3 weapons now. but have few knowledge on collective, so will let others comment on this
zen, decent boost in firepower. definitely choose this over xe now. but still 3 k class, wonder if guard need it. how abt showing us a redesign xe or zen. something different, perhaps an assault version too. lol..

but nice effort to all staff on this

O Omegian

03/01/2012 · 07:52 AM #21

i really dont understand why the Strafez King BR was upgraded and upkeep lowered, but no mods changed? It is already a great ship with decent modifiers and all. Given some people use that rather than fodders, but meh, will see soon enough. I guess the game is going to where paid people will have always the better ships than unpaid, at which it would seem like its own battle advantage, the question is how much can that advantage be, sure on RT that is one thing, but take a look from this on TB side.

T TheBlueKnight

03/01/2012 · 07:03 AM #20

btw i applaud the staffs efforts to at least try to make changes and the game more enjoyable

T TheBlueKnight

03/01/2012 · 07:00 AM #19

maybe every one of these paid ships should have a +99% defensive modifier to one attack type and -50% modifier to another. would make counter stacking crucial

I Ishamael

03/01/2012 · 06:52 AM #18

Yeah, I guess while losing a decent amount in the process. Or getting murdered by anything and everything else.

I`d take that one over the current, but even so it seems like such a... strange and foreign object. It`s WEIRD.

S ShatterdDreamsOP

03/01/2012 · 06:45 AM #17

well to answer your question ish, in my testing that sapphire is the most Op`d ship on the list it`s purpose in life is to kill missile capitals.

I Ishamael

03/01/2012 · 06:38 AM #16

C. Leo: Interesting turn with the no retal/def. Better.

Broadsword: Assault version. Like.

Strafez king: Ok?

Fenrir: Also not sure about this one. Seems worse...

Sapphire: I`m still not getting the point of this ship. It`s just... not good. At all.

Thresher: I`m indifferent. It seems good only because of the firepower/range/build rate combo. Not to mention extra shields. Not sure about this one.

Cronus- No. What?

Corsair- Cool. Thumbs up.

Hun-Zen: Oh come on, it`s not THAT bad. Maybe a small boost, but not 10k weapons (x.x)

R Renegade Admin

Admin 03/01/2012 · 05:59 AM #15

The idea of these updates is to make these ships something worth paying for. Right now, the Cronus honestly is not. Neither is the Hun-Zen.

I am curious to see if it performs a bit `too well` once the DM is opened for testing on them though.

G grantweep

03/01/2012 · 05:45 AM #14

Since everyone is talking about it, I agree that cronus looks too good with these changes.

Zen, however is fine. I mean. I takes 25,000 turns to research the ship to begin with. I`ve always felt that the old Zen was underpowered relative to it`s investment.

Of course, this just makes paid accounts more powerful, which is another story.

A AlphaCentauri

03/01/2012 · 05:39 AM #13

i like the updates, especially the corsair, it was a crab.py paid ship, but now it is actually useful

also vote for the assault version of broadsword, no need for a tank

dislike the changes on v.cronus and k.hun-zen as others have pointed out

S Sumarian

03/01/2012 · 05:30 AM #12

i like all the changes, i like the assualt bsword. As for the chronus, imo it needed an upgrade it was very weak for a paid ship. Nice work. :)

S ShatterdDreamsOP

03/01/2012 · 05:25 AM #11

Cronus and Zen are both "useful" any extra ship in your shiplist is "useful" but i wouldn`t pay for either one of them.

but i can change designs, we can test them all as is and come back and change designs too..

Edited by ShatterdDreams on 2012-01-03

T TheBlueKnight

03/01/2012 · 05:10 AM #10

A viral must have did the update on the Cronus almost everything on it except and extra $30 credits in
upkeep and a reduction in scanners increased. God forbid a viral wants to explore with this ship :/

All other ships seem fair. I`m a little bias but how about a reduction in research for k class. This is a war game, us guardians should not have to spend so much time researching ships

Whatever happen to the starbase updates?

F Fuzzy

03/01/2012 · 05:06 AM #9

These are pretty big changes in my opinion. For some ships it`s warranted, but for others it`s really not needed. Overall I`m not sure if a bigger gap between paid and unpaid is needed, especially since many of these paid ships are new anyways. Who wins the most? Those who can get paids and Stephen.

BEST: Leo and Corsair have been boosted a lot, which I think are a good thing. And Assault Broadsword, that`s the point of the ship!

WORST: Cronus and Zen were already ridiculously good ships. They really don`t need this boost at all.

Thresher and Fenrir were also very good before, they don`t need as much of a boost...perhaps fenrir`s changes to weapons and hull should both be halved, and thresher only need a boost to either the weapons or the hull.

C Crack

03/01/2012 · 04:41 AM #8

If these changes go through.. I will definitely change my race on a certain server.. Hint hint..

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