Paid Ships Changes.

OP 03/01/2012 · 01:32 AM #1

Below are the proposed changes for Paid ships to make them more worth your hard earned money. Look them over and add any comments suggestions and concerns as always, most of them look a bit Op`d and some of them are slightly Op`d but they`re also "Paid" ships so they should have some decent advantage to having them besides another ship in your shiplist. Note that there are two versions of the Broad Sword. Please vote for one and only one.

After a week of discussion we will implement the changes and open up the DM for testing for another week, we could use lots of real data. they have been tested, but Real world testing is always much much better.

C.Leo

E: 500 > 650
K: 500 > 650
M: 0
C: 0
H: 5,000 >4,500
S: 175 > 176
R: 7
PR: 2,848 > 3,006
BR: 10
Upkeep 2,100 >2,500

ES 20 > 10
KS 15 >5
ECM -30 >-25
CS 0

Mineral requirements
TM 0
RC 5 > 6
WC 7 >9
RT 0 > 0
C 6 > 8
SO 0

Ret No >yes
Def No > yes

B Sword Assault ver.

E: 0
K: 700 > 1100
M: 0
C: 0
H: 1,000 >750
S: 80 > 12
R: 9
PR: 1,116
BR: 20 > 25
Upkeep 635 > 752

Strafez King

Br:40 >50
Upkeep 60 >53

Mineral requirements
RC 0
WC 0
RT 0
C 0
SO 45 >40

Fenrir

E: 350 > 450
K: 250 > 400
M: 0
C: 0
H: 2,800 >2000
S: 68 > 60
R: 8
PR: 1,512
BR: 18
Upkeep 1350

ES 20 > -15
KS -30 >10
ECM 30 >25
CS 0

Continued...

Edited by ShatterdDreams on 2012-01-07

Edited by ShatterdDreams on 2012-01-13

A Apollo

07/01/2012 · 03:58 AM #47

why not change light class to all paid ships, then rework them all into something else

ones a 9 range missle boat similar to zues
ones an 8 range energy/kenetic destroyer similar to pike
and a 7 range battleship similar to arag or flyshe

or even a neutral starbase :P

change them into ships that reward stacking is all im saying

R Renegade Admin

Admin 07/01/2012 · 03:46 AM #46

I lol`d. The shift to Guardians being the dominant force in the ranks the last two years is QUITE clear.

B Brotherhood

07/01/2012 · 03:21 AM #45

P.class demolish huns. But they are super expensive in higher ranks. Queens seem to do well also on aggro.

S Sibiriangun

07/01/2012 · 03:16 AM #44

I never understood why guards got another K class ship. There are simply too many immune ships imo, its a gamble to hit a guard. You have to go aggro, due to their low range ships, but if you hit a fleet with 3 K class, topaz and 2-3 fez stacks you really have to be lucky to win. So I wouldnt mind changing the Zen to something completely different.

And PLEASE remake the Cronus. How does it deserve a 50% weapon boost and then additionally more hull??? Virals already have the superior shipyard due to the RE choices. If you want to make an extremely OP paid ship why not take the Leo so more players can get paids to use it?

A Apollo

07/01/2012 · 02:50 AM #43

MD, even with tyr a Hun Li spam is difficult to take down when your aren`t counter-spamming. also the term counter spam seems very foreign on RT... where turns are a plenty

R Raistilin

07/01/2012 · 02:47 AM #42

Or p class

M MajorDinero

07/01/2012 · 02:37 AM #41

flashy, have you researched tyr?

F FlashysDomain

07/01/2012 · 02:19 AM #40

Apollo...KHun-li versus Terran. OK...get killed, snuffed, murdered, wiped, laid out, screwed blued and tatoo`d, raped, mangled, and my favorite of all ... hamburgered.

See any options in that list saying `win" ? I`d say the odds of a Terran fleet taking on Huns and winning are slim to none...and slim just left town.

A Apollo

06/01/2012 · 07:20 AM #39

what? you dont like gambling flashy? (cuz thats how it is)

F FlashysDomain

06/01/2012 · 06:45 AM #38

Assault version of the BSword is nice. Maybe give a lesser tank version to the Sword.

Yes on the Leo !

And someone please murder the Huns. They are Terran killers. Frippin` things are almost unbeatable as it is.

C Crack

05/01/2012 · 08:38 AM #37

65k br for v.cronus seems too high considering most virals rev eng at least 3 caps.. 37- 43k br sounds better..

And im a viral on 1 of the server..

P PistolPete

05/01/2012 · 06:07 AM #36

K. Hun-zen

I never liked that guards has 3 very immune ships. Hun-zen should never have been made.

In the past guards did not have any high range ships, because they build so fast compared to other races. Now that this is not completely true i think there are some arguments for giving guards a queen killing ships as the paid ship. Upkeep of the broadswords makes them a bit hard to use in a stack.

something like.

Range 9
some kinetic or energy damage
PR/ turn 30k

rest I dont care - though it would actually be nice to have a ship that can deal decently with hammerheads too.

P PistolPete

05/01/2012 · 05:54 AM #35

About the V.Cronus. Why make it so similar to V.borrelli?

In my opinion it would be more interesting to have something that is way chunkier with more buildrate, less damage and less range.

65k Pr/turn
range 7
about 30k dmg
about 90k hull
Some decent ecm resist - not extreme.
No retal

I Infernal

04/01/2012 · 05:24 PM #34

Corsair is great actually. Lost 1 range, but that hardly means anything at those numbers (3/4)..and gets three weapons for crazy flanking. Actually yeah, give it range 6 :p

N Ninetales

04/01/2012 · 04:03 PM #33

C Leo => the no retal looks sweet
B Sword tank version since the c leo hass lesser hull
Strafez King => faster built rates are always cool to me =)
Fenrir => mm wish there`s a tank version instead since i mainly use it as a defensive ship
Sapphire => would also wish it to be a tank version since g class lictor looks like a tank
Thresher => looks mean but ya its good non explore race should be more popular
Cronus => mm looks mean really only wonders why its hull is increased as well ?
Corsair => mm looks cool not sure what it means by redcing its range from 4 to 3 .. and not sure about the built rate drop
Hun Zen => always thought the k class lack cutting edge so ya looks good

So after looking through i think i opt for a tank version b sword or apollo`s no retal bsword looks sick =) , wish the fenrir/sapphire are more tank like as i always thought they were defensive ships could be wrong lol , Thresher looks mean a good boost to non explore race , Cronus looks a bit overpowered maybe the hull shouldn`t be increased, Corsair could do with a bit more help i think, and Hun Zen should be good really .

A Anfit

04/01/2012 · 06:04 AM #32

When you`re finished with changes someone please compile me a list/speadsheet what changed, preferable with ship id included in the list. For the next few months I`ll be really busy and it won`t be easy for me to make an update...

R Ragnarok

04/01/2012 · 12:54 AM #31

The reason for keeping Sapphire stronger against kinetic? If I actually want an effective ship I can use offensively against ships with kinetic, such as Galleons and F class. Right now, miner only has the lictor for blocking and the flych is not that reliable offensively against kinetic ships (and only does a mediocre job defending against such ships). But that`s just my thinking. If Sapphire is really as OP as SD thinks it is, then I guess I`ll take it. At least it`s even better at killing fodders than ever before now without even giving ships to viral or collective in the process!

R Ragnarok

04/01/2012 · 12:46 AM #30

I might just start using the C Leo again. Definitely assault version for B-Sword, if you want a tank F Class then redirect your efforts towards the Spear or even the Sword instead. For Sapphire I would have rather seen the kinetic mods left alone and maybe penalize the chemical instead.

And +1 to apollo for simply adding no retal to B Sword with or without the no defense. This alone would make the ship more than just an anti queen/king weapon, and adding more kinetic in exchange for less hull would clinch the deal. Would do some serious damage vs Viral ships and caps that are weak to kinetic like the Lyth, definitely give the rich miners a run for their money (I should know, I AM one :P).

I Infernal

03/01/2012 · 07:27 PM #29

Back for second impressions. Didn`t run calcs for all of them, just running off mental notes.
Leo seems interesting, not sure if the drop in hull and mods is justifiable for the no retaliation, considering it is range 7 with firepower/pr of <0.5.
Kings changes will likely only affect uw situations
B sword assault looks like the ideal thing that it should be
Not too sure about fenrir. Don`t really see what it`s role is now, with the hull/mod drop. The raise in weapons is nifty though. Seems like it`s being geared more to filling in an offense role whereas I used it more for defense previously
No comments on zen. Don`t face guards nor do I have enough experience with them. The stats I`m seeing make them look sexy though.
Corsair, thresher and sapphire are fantastic. Maybe I`m biased but I think they`re awesome in the right spots. I actually tried matching thresher against queens, quite okay actually. It could be more op.
All of the above are my opinions.

I Infernal

03/01/2012 · 04:46 PM #28

One comment for the moment, cronus seems quite op. With range 8, you either kill it with a shop that`s immune, had higher range, or flank it to death. For options 1 & 2, it seems that options are very limited for free accounts, and not efficient. A bump in hull and weapon, and that shield mod selection is too much

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