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Perm BR increase poll results

Started by Ragnarok · 09/08/2011 · 03:16 PM · 87 replies · 4 reads
R RagnarokOP
OP 09/08/2011 · 03:16 PM
To see original thread, visit this link

http://gc.gamestotal.com/hef.cfm?&6432&f=hef_detail&hi=10763&ch=1

Dunno why Raistilin closed the thread since there seemed to be a really good discussion going on and it appeared quite civil. However, here are the poll questions with results:


1) 2-3x increase of buildrate under a 1 week trial
Would apply to all servers would need to hear the good and bad for all sides of this

For 1, we had a total of 18.


2) Leave it as is due to implications due to x
Please include reasons if you would.

For 2, we had 6

3) Some other option
Be detailed

2, Plus 3 unknown/undecided.


Of course, if I miscounted, by all means feel free to modify or protest. I provide the original link.


Now for my 2 cents (more like 50 hehe).

Reading all the responses, I find that doing a 2x increase is probably best. However, if we do a trial, then it MUST be for an extended period of time in order to gauge its true effectiveness, not simply 2-3 weeks. Otherwise, you get what Omegian referred to: people using the opportunity to use their BTC to build up, then VM build for months until the effects wear out (thus getting extra bang out of their BTC for UW purposes).

The reason why I feel this would truly benefit the game is because the game is about stacking. However, base PR and turn/br limitations are a significant barrier to stacking. Therefore, in order to promote stacking, you have to make stacking more than a one-shot deal for these "planet hoarders". It also decreases the relevance of base PR (which ends around 10m pr unless you have an INSANE empire) and focuses on the true focus which is BATTLE.

One last note. If you`re smart, increasing BR makes ship building if you aim for the same PR. Extreme example: 500 turns building 1 herc is FAR more expensive then 1 turn building 500 herc due to UPKEEP.

I will break this down in the next post
G grantweep
10/08/2011 · 01:46 PM
@Rag

if omeg didn`t hear me the first time, or the second time. He`s not listening. He`s probably not gonna hear you the third time either.
D Dragon
10/08/2011 · 11:27 AM
keep guardian building rates lower compared to other races, then i will vote for increased build rates
R RagnarokOP
10/08/2011 · 11:19 AM
"Uhm, not really there will always be spamming even when we had the 4x build rate all I saw was spam, you think 10x will change that, not really in my eyes after 7 years."

Of course there will be spammers. I never said there wouldn`t be. However, if I were a c3 empire and there were multiple targets out, I`d have much more incentive to stack if I knew I had 3-4 shots and still have the option to spam.

As things stand now, if you`re a 500 planet monster, with a base PR of 1m, you really don`t have much choice if you got based but to spam.

Plus, there is an upper limit to how high you can go. It`s called CASH reserves.
A Apollo
10/08/2011 · 09:46 AM
if we raise build rates, maybe we should also raise ships costs... not upkeep just cost per ship... one way or another we need to get ppl to post minerals
R Raistilin
10/08/2011 · 07:27 AM
I closed it on accident, had no intentions of closing a decent thread.
F FISTFULLOFDOLLARS
10/08/2011 · 04:02 AM
Since I voted for 2x my vote should count 2x as well.... Also if 2x it should be fore 2 weeks. If 3x then 3 weeks. etc etc. I like the idea of guardians having a 1.5x bonus while the rest have a 2x bonus as well, but then the voting would have to start over etc so never mind that thought.

*also votes for collectives to have a 10x bonus as a permanent, un-trialed, untested, undisputed change*
C Crack
10/08/2011 · 03:51 AM
Having the option doesn`t make a spammer become a stacker defensively.. Whether it`s 2x or 100x, a defensive stacker will still stack, spammer will still spam..
A AlphaCentauri
10/08/2011 · 01:52 AM
I`m for 2x guard and 3x rest... As a collective on ultra I can jump about 3 million pr max turns paid while guards can jump about 11 million (even more with sb`s)... That`s just silly

But this discussion is good, I`m taking notes for my "side project" ;)
O Omegian
10/08/2011 · 12:52 AM
Grant, I got your point, however I can spend like 50 turns for 5 mil pr versus 100 turns for destroyers and stuff of 3 mil pr, ill take the latter even if it costs me extra, most large empires can afford what they want with less turns, thus no need to really use stacking method.
U UberPansy
10/08/2011 · 12:34 AM
Spammers will still spam, BUT defenders will have the option to turtle with a now viable full stack.
C Crack
10/08/2011 · 12:27 AM
If so, might as well just make upkeep and cost ten times more expensive.. If u get my drift..
G grantweep
10/08/2011 · 12:02 AM
As the amount of ships built per turn increases...there will eventually be a point where it`s pointless to spam. Because you`ll go broke doing so, whereas with the same amount of money you can get a stack at the same PR. And everyone knows that at the same PR...stacking is unquestionably more effective than spamming.

Maybe 10x isn`t enough to get this. But we can keep going higher, 20x 100x. I think you get my point.
C Crack
09/08/2011 · 11:58 PM
Br increase wouldn`t make this game any better than it is.. I rather have updates such as new ship or race.. Events does perk things up though generally most things always make the strong stronger.. Having missions does help contribute as well.. As a viral, maru or collective, this game shortage them of the mission that other races can do.. Having a dm also makes this game lively.. Eventhough it mess with rt, I believe the response is better appreciated..
M MajorDinero
09/08/2011 · 10:44 PM
BR x2 isn`t enough to reduce spamming. You`d need to make BR like 10x in order to do so.


Uhm, not really there will always be spamming even when we had the 4x build rate all I saw was spam, you think 10x will change that, not really in my eyes after 7 years.

Edited by Omegian on 2011-08-09
A AshyLarry
09/08/2011 · 10:41 PM
So, can we try out the BRx2 now to see if it works? especially for TB servers. I`m not worried about RT because i`m sure it will work there.
C Crack
09/08/2011 · 10:32 PM
Yup.. Whether u increased build rates generally 2times or 100times.. It wouldn`t change spammers to become stackers.. Lol..
O Omegian
09/08/2011 · 09:22 PM
Rag I am fully against without restrictions to what you can do, IE using btcs to just get to the top of the ranks or using to really create a PR gap until after week (trial) period to UW just shows how it was abused last time by certain people and thus would be abused again. I should also mention the last time this happend stacking did not happen, hell it was the same spammy spammy. So I dont see why this would change anything if at all just show more of the same.
BadWolf
09/08/2011 · 08:21 PM
weird it got closed.. lol
C Crack
09/08/2011 · 08:15 PM
MU just stated my sentiments in a brief statement..

This is a good idea though i rather have no..
C Crack
09/08/2011 · 08:15 PM
MU just stated my sentiments in a brief statement..

This is a good idea though i rather have no..
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