PROS:
Collective race can be a thorn in your side on the battle field with a potential economy strong enough to set of UW`s. Like virals, it has 2 ships with chemical attack (if paid). Also it has one of the fastest build range 9 ships in the game. There are also 3 unpaid 100% capture ships!
Wow! Pretty impressive? Galleon is a feared ship.. it`s like a grandaddy broadsword. My personal favorite is brigantine because the assumption is I am leading galleons then you run into this chemical/missle power house. Ouch. Then after that.. gotta love just capturing all kinds of interesting ships. Well, the times the capture glitch doesn`t pop up and screw you.
So.. 1 - 3 just really decent ships and with enough patience and jacked up food prices, a very strong economy.
CONS.
Alas, I arrive and the reason I am making this thread. The most "con-filled" race of all.
When a viral captures a 11k Ularge, what happens? They look at it longingly then quickly kill the pop or plunder it. Useless it is (wish it wasn`t). Well that`s useless to collective as well. Viral captures 2 juicy C3`s from an Aminer and they are stoked. Just infect that SOB and milk that puppy all day long. Well that, too, is useless to collectives. 1 planet at a time collective must. Maru can use U class and clusters no problem btw. Hmm... so it must be the ships and ability to navigate the ranks (stacked of course!) effectively that collective race is hindered in such ways economically.
Nope! With only 3 unpaid ships having the almighty `No Retal` ability, only 1 with more than range 7 (range 8 makes having a truly effective 10 stack without capturing... well... impossible. You will have to use the easy to kill queens and kings with is just a gamble.
Maybe I suck at battling, I don`t know how to stack, I don`t know how to spam properly, say what you will flame on. Psh. This race was created with good intentions, but it is a bit too complicated with "stephen programming."
Collective Race Hmm...
Started by FISTFULLOFDOLLARS
· 18/05/2011 · 11:33 PM
· 60 replies
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boooo shark... thumbs down, doesnt fit my aggressive style
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RageWolf
Has nothing to do with collectives, however...
Shark is an amazing ship, if you think it sucks then I point thee to the corner of shame where you belong.
Shark is an amazing ship, if you think it sucks then I point thee to the corner of shame where you belong.
offensive: anything that isnt a scout or a starbase
i think anything with a gun would be offencive
what do you concider offencive? "no retal"?
virals have smallest at first, but they dont really count because they can RE ships. after them is collectives. everyone else has decent-sized ship lists.
terrans: 18 ships, 14 offensive
miners: 19 ships, 14 offensive
maru: 14 ships, 14 offensive
viral: start with 4, have potential for 16, 15 offensive (after full RE)
coll: only 9 ships =( 8 offensive
guard: 16 ships, 13 offensive
and yep, bark is pretty good.
terrans: 18 ships, 14 offensive
miners: 19 ships, 14 offensive
maru: 14 ships, 14 offensive
viral: start with 4, have potential for 16, 15 offensive (after full RE)
coll: only 9 ships =( 8 offensive
guard: 16 ships, 13 offensive
and yep, bark is pretty good.
bark is the most awesome collective ship.... 1 on 1 fights with all other ships in the game, how many situations will it takes 2 or more colonies? anyone?
Isnt Corsair a paid ship???
And i think collective have complained about Snow since it was added to their small shiplist... Hm i wonder out of all the races who really does have the smallest shiplist... paid vs unpaid list too... ?
Isnt Corsair a paid ship???
And i think collective have complained about Snow since it was added to their small shiplist... Hm i wonder out of all the races who really does have the smallest shiplist... paid vs unpaid list too... ?
oops, sorry, miscounted... still, 4 isnt much
you have 4 no retal, corsair, brig, bark, snow
and we have a relatively small shiplist.
lol. i dont spam those often. exactly as you said: too predictable. we actually have lots of weaknesses, such as having only 3 no retal ships, and one only for paid... as we said in earlier threads, we get completely wrecked when we hit ships without no defense with ships without no retal.
the only weakness collective hav now is your all predictable, iv only had 1 fight with a fully stacked coll, i only won because i was +129 and his fez was badly positioned, the rest of you just gall brig spam, i can beat that all day
lol. i didnt say anything about shark. i meant pyth and angel.
but you cant really count shark because its:
A. underapreciated
B. a piece of poo
i pick B
A. underapreciated
B. a piece of poo
i pick B
we can complain about it all right... especially since we have no ships that can build faster than 35k per turn. you have 2 ships that can build faster than 40k per turn. and your ships are better than ours, ignoring the capturing ability
i dont think colls are allowed to complain about build rates, they have 4 ships that can build up 1mil+ pr per 45 turns, the rest of thier ships excluding sloop build 700k+ per 45 turns
marauder on the otherhand can only has 3 ships that can gain 1mil pr or more per 45 turns, while the rest dont build faster then 650k per 45 turns... except shark and bullhead those are 800k
marauder on the otherhand can only has 3 ships that can gain 1mil pr or more per 45 turns, while the rest dont build faster then 650k per 45 turns... except shark and bullhead those are 800k
still, this race has a LOT of cons compared to pros.
the thing ive noticed with collective ships is, they are a lot like miner ships used to be: everybody complained about how underpowered the race was, without actually knowing how to use the ships correctly. r snow has a good amount of uses, if you know how to use it.
it would be nice to get another ship, though, seeing as we only have 9 race-specific ships we can build... and 1 is paid only, and another is a starbase... everybody else has a LOT more options than we poor collectives. =-(
the thing ive noticed with collective ships is, they are a lot like miner ships used to be: everybody complained about how underpowered the race was, without actually knowing how to use the ships correctly. r snow has a good amount of uses, if you know how to use it.
it would be nice to get another ship, though, seeing as we only have 9 race-specific ships we can build... and 1 is paid only, and another is a starbase... everybody else has a LOT more options than we poor collectives. =-(
Stephen should have put more effort into stabilizing the Collective`s powers. I agree the capture bug is a pain in the arse. I was Collective a long time ago once and I loved the double pop and food production tricks. I also loved the Galleon. It is a fine ship and worthy of the title of Top Ships in GC (if there is such a title).
You`ll have to be like the Borg if you want to play this race effectively. You must adapt your environment to suit you. You have plunder advantages, keep the pop on that 11k large and plunder the SOB. Plunder them assimilated clusters....
You`ll have to be like the Borg if you want to play this race effectively. You must adapt your environment to suit you. You have plunder advantages, keep the pop on that 11k large and plunder the SOB. Plunder them assimilated clusters....
I never even mentioned how the fastest building ship at 35k/turn sucks and is MOSTLY useless as it dies very easily. This ship if any (R.Snow) needs an upgrade more than anything.
My next point was the capture ability. If you`re not getting heavy topped stacked guardians or uncapturable virals pounding on your face you still might be screwed due to multiple capture bugs. If you`ve been viral.. you seldom see this as well because only 2 (unpaid) ships are capture. Collective has a shiplist full of capture ships. When a decent 10 stack depends on captured ships and the system "glitches" when you`re about to capture 10mil PR of other races ships... you`ll be pretty bummed out. But then again, you can just continue spamming away as that will be your only choice.
All in all I would neer recommend this race over ANY other race unless I hate you :p
All in all I would neer recommend this race over ANY other race unless I hate you :p
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