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C. Aries and C.Gemini

Started by vehystrix · 21/04/2011 · 03:52 AM · 30 replies · 1 read
V vehystrixOP
It`s a shame that these wonderful ships are so rarely used. I believe this is largely due to their buildrates, which are about 1/3rd and half that of the Ranger, and on par or below even the Viator II. Compared to combat ships, they`re building at 1/3rd or half that of the next slowest building ship, namely the light frigate.

Now I know that these ships are insane on defense, especially when noone`s expecting them, but that`s just it, noone`s expecting them because they`re not a viable ship to build whenever you want to make a defense that`s over 1M pr. May I suggest slightly raising their build rates, so that we may see these wonderful defensive ships being used a bit more trough out the ranks. (hey let`s be honest here, when was the last time you saw them being used as an actual part of a fleet, either in the top few stacks of a spam, or part of a balanced stack?)

Now, and I`m not saying I got any expert knowledge on how this may affect the game, but may I suggest upping the build rate of C.Aries by about a factor 2, and that of C.Gemini by a factor 1.5?
This would make the C.Aries build at 5,100 pr per turn as opposed to 2,550 pr.
The C. Gemini would then build at 7,290 per turn as opposed to 4,860 pr per turn.

To compare it to: The F.(Broad)Sword builds at about 11k pr per turn, making it a viable ship on both an offensive and defensive stack, but only if you`ve got the time to build it. It`s used on a regular basis, but not as often as to have it called a common ship.

Disclaimer: I have bee fighting in the mid pr range (1M-30M pr) for a while now, and these are just my observations and suggestions. Feedback is welcome, so is constructive criticism. Please do refrain from flaming or any negative critisism. Thank you
D DraconianParadise
Aries is the best defense ship in the game for sure
V vehystrixOP
Oh, my bad Fist. I must`ve been confused.
hull to pr ratio:
C. Aries: 3.92
C.Gemini: 4.12

Guns to pr ratio:
C.Aries: 0.39
C.Gemini: 0.22

Looks like I was completely off. Allow me to correct myself: Gemini is even more defensive then Aries, harder to kill, but cannot dish out as much damage in return (half the guns for a bit more hull) Overall, it seems Aries is superior, but has half the build rate to compensate.

Also, I`m curious now, what`s your record?
F FistOfNoRemorse
uhh vehystrix... the gemini has a better hull to pr ratio then the aries so how does it have half the hull
S ShatterdDreams
why increase the BR, its a ship you earn in your fleet at higher pr, besides i don`t want anyone building more than i have. i`ve yet to see my record number of Aries broke
V vehystrixOP
Gemini is basically Aries with half the hull and double the guns, it`s a defensive ship that can be used on the offense as well, whereas the Aries is basically a starbase which puts you out of dp anc can(but isn`t the best option by far) be used to attack.
I should note that both these ships are purely defensive, but Gemini has a bit more all round capabilities then Aries. Using them simultaneously could make for some interesting scenarios.

Also, if you`re in the low pr and building Aries, anyone who has a counter on you can just cap spam to a ridiculously high pr and klil you off no problem. Have you forgot that for the time it takes you to build 100k Aries you can build 2M-2.5M of any cap ship?
F freshfish
I`ve never really used the Gemini but the Aries is super for low level defence and can really annoy people who have a counter on you. Would be interesting to see how it works at a higher PR though.
V vehystrixOP
Well, Aries and Gemini are the 2 best defensive ships out there IMO, however they`re severely handicapped by their buildrates. I believe they do not suck at all, if you have the patience to build them.

Since their only downside is their buildrate, I believe raising this may very well make them a whole lot more useful.
M MajorDinero
Not a bad idea. But in the grand scheme of things, Ares/Gemini would still suck even if you doubled their build rates :P
F freshfish
Good idea imho...I love the Aries.
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