slaving

Tiki I believe anyone that has played a race other than Terran and Miner is aware that there is a rather dramatic difference in income. If a Guardian, for example, enslaves an active Tax Miner, they will never have to research infrastructure, never keep more than a 2 land spaz for artifacts, and they will be able to fight at whatever power rating they want. This is a rather significant over powering. Also, imagine trying to break out of enslavement to a Guardian! We can climb circles around the other races aside from a pure cap spam, and spend a LOT less money doing it.

Changing the balance isn`t always a bad thing, but changing the balance completely would be pointless. Everyone would go Guardian/Collective/Maurader enslaving people until finally there is no one worth enslaving and the newbies would suffer as the only Terrans in the game! I am exaggerating, of course, but not by much. It would drastically effect the way other races are played. It doesn`t even make sense that any of those races (Or Viral for that matter) would enslave anyone. Viral and Collective NEED the bodies of said slaves to survive, why would they waste them as weak meat bags? Guardian are trying to PROTECT the galaxy, not enslave it. Marauder it makes a little sense for. Pillagers often take slaves to do the labor while they do the looting. So for them it is simply a matter of giving one of the lowest upkeep races the change to siphon credits from the largest income races.


There is one good side, a silver lining if you will, to all races being able to enslave. This would drastically cut down on the number of tax based empires. By greatly decreasing the demand for food, you would be greatly increasing the supply of food. Thus a likely permanent fix of the food market. Still, there is just so much imbalance it would create. You would essentially be destroying the economics element of the game in order to fix the economy.

@GradualIncline
So... the conclusion is: Because this would somewhat affect the balance-of-economy, it`s out of the question?

Just because it changes balance doesn`t make it an unfair change. Presently, all the cash a Collective can ever make is not a lot when it comes to assembling a *real* fleet. If *somehow* a Collective got rich from a couple of tax-miner slaves, that wealth would disintegrate quite quickly due to upkeep if he decides to build larger-than-normal (to help preserve his ownership).

People have complained in the past (or looked down with disdain) that collectives cannot survive in high pR. They`ve been called bottom-feeders. With a low buildrate, the expense of maintaining and expanding upon a larger fleet increases drastically. If they were able to make some cash from slaves, then they could finally survive at a reasonably high pR.
(Note: The ability to afford ships also goes up drastically when assimilating enemy ships from races that DO make a lot of cash. Note that THEIR high-upkeep ships, THEIR tradeoff for making lots of money, also hurts COLLECTIVES just in a smaller way.)

And if getting too much cash still worries the economy too much, well, we`d still be willing to liberate empires if the only reward was ships captured in their defences ;-) just imagine...tribute in the form of ships... if we could keep captured ships in reserve and deploy them all at once... ... *salivates*

I thought giving virals, colls, and marus the ability to enslave was good, but good points were raised against them, and frankly, make more sense than giving them the ability. Terrans and A-miners make the most money in the game, and they have the most upkeep to compensate (some say not enough upkeep, but that`s just because they hatin` on us :P). Enslaving between them makes sense, because the boat loads of money they can make off of slaves is still offset by that same upkeep. The other races don`t pay nearly that much upkeep, or earn that much money in general *looks at BW* so enabling the enslave option is only really effective for them, not for the terrans and a-miners who`ll earn almost nothing extra compared to the billions which the other races would earn off of them.

The problem with that kelti is so few people actually stack. You basically never get reinforcements from a master. I would gladly pay a small percentage of my fleet to be regularly defended by a massive stack. :)

why in the world wouldn`t you want to be enslaved to a slaver that sends 10`s of millions of ships as reinforcements?

I yawnz doesnt mean im copying rarehunter.. Zzz..

Im working in zouk singapore.. Dealing with drunks.. So if someone is drunk.. It came to the point i need to yawnz it off..

I play gc so that i can act like one of the geeks.. But the geeks are acting like me.. Zzz.. Jk..

Then stop trying to act like the ultimate newb off all, rarehunter. Maybe you need to do some more crack.

Its 4pm here in singapore..

Go to bed already and stop trying to spread your contagious Yawnz.

Yawnz..

hes a mean drunk

Dun dun dun.... HB"s in one of his moods, watch out.

Sounds like what hb would say.. When he`s in his mood..

You`re all wrong, so very wrong. If only you know how wrong you were you would break down and cry and give up at life because you would realize that you utterly fail at all that is and all that will ever be.

This idea is horrible. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should be banned on account of being mentally challenged.

/me beats Deamon666 with a stick wrapped in a degree for common sense. "Bad dog!"

@ Deamon666 - Ya there is a whole list of pros / cons... im a pessimist so really filling out the cons is easier for me. But ya im tired as heck, im not really reading & im barely operating.

@ ShadowKing - Thanks for the helpful info... and if GC is inactive i hate noticed, only thing inactive is the food market.