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Nerf Lyth

Started by MajorDinero · 09/04/2011 · 04:07 AM · 87 replies · 3 reads
M MajorDineroOP
At some point, we have to ask ourselves: is GC supposed to be an economy game or a skill based combat game?

Because right now, it`s very much an economy game, and with ships like lyth, it makes things even worse.

As long as you build up an economy properly, or choose an economy heavy race (aminer) then you can spam to your hearts delight and win without having to think.

Should we nerf lyth, or accept that economy > skill in fighting?
B Brotherhood
you asking for a absolute major...right now if you dont have skills fighting you can sorta compete in the ranks if your economy is correct...and vice versa if you are great efficient fighter you can compete with little economy in comparison to the other guy...balanced..you want to go one way or another and either answer is tragedy imo for long term of the game...
D DrKsTGuArDiAn
About your question, I have an answer.....

I would like to sell my skills in exchange for economic profit. Question answered

That`s having your cake and eating it to
M MajorDineroOP
Alright, points taken HB...though on TB if you don`t wipe someone but put em in DP, they can save turns and build a huge amount of ships when their turns build up or base up a little before doing. Something to think about, the battle isn`t always easily won against a lyth spammer :P

Anyways, no one`s answered my original question still...perhaps it`s too early (only been 2 hours since I started this thread) but if no one wants to comment on my original question, then I`ll close the thread. No point getting people all riled up for no reason.
D DrKsTGuArDiAn
I think lyth needs to be vamped up a bit myself.
H HoneyBucket{HH}
It works best when the lyth spammer hits one guard and then the other guard hits the lyth, or let them hit both the guards and have another empire building up over them...... taking down an enemy from -200 is a team effort, typically one empire can`t do it unless they get very lucky or the top empire is handicapped.... and who cares about taking colonies from an enemy that is above you.... the goal is to get them down and kill their ships.
M MajorDineroOP
I just tried simming two people @ -200 PR attacking lyth HB....topaz does well against lyth yeah...but from 2x PR levels, and when the topaz is attacking, the lyth still has enough dmg to hold it`s ground. I wasn`t able to take any cols as the two attacking guards in this scenario. Perhaps you will hit him into DP, but you won`t take any cols :P

Also, keep in mind that spamming topaz makes you essentially a sitting duck to queen topped stacks/half spams.
D Darkseid
This is just not-smartic topic, it dont cost to 500 bills to spam lyth at leats not to me, more like 80 bills, personally Lyth is fine as it is, A.miner needs at leats one usable ship for quick counters ect.

do you want to nerf herc too? cause it ownz anything from higher?
Or maybe you want to nerv borrely some more? cause people spam it?
Or shall we cry about Guardians ships cause they so epic and builds twice as fast as other races?
Or even Maraduers who virtually handfull of people still play?
a.miner juggernaught sucks big time, its a fodder ship, only other good ship is G.Sapphire bt its poaid only. if it was up to me i would give miners some better ships to encourage more players to play them. rather then nerfing an empiers wich chose economy over fighting.

Just Stop whining and lear to counter it.

Fodder top> lyth gets wiped by 9 stacks

and Fyi lyth is pretty sucky ship these days, tyr> lyth anyday of the week
J Jammer
Let`s remove myth completely!
Also change guards tax mod to -75% instead!!!!!
H HoneyBucket{HH}
topaz hardly loses to lyth from 2x.... you get two people with topaz spams and you can take out someone from -200, I have done it on several occasions. One person shouldn`t be able to easily take out someone from -200 IMO.
R raven
why u need to nerf the lyth? huge upkeep for the ship vs other miners ships , can easily be killed with l class from guardian (huge damage ships flanking) terran could possible use herc while flanking , and so forth
G grantweep
Topaz losses to lyth, when lyth is 2x the PR
BadWolf
Issue 1: Everything changed in GC affects both Turn-Based, and RT.

Issue 2: Fixing this is impossible.

Ship changes are constantly being reviewed over time by those in charge of the area.
M MajorDinero
Okay, I`m hearing you...that probably sounds about right for RT. Now let`s think more turn based:

Let`s say hypothetically: I know of an empire on a TB server that can afford to sustain a lyth spam at 40 mil PR. He won`t lose any income or gain any income sitting at 40 mil PR with a pure lyth spam.

Try figuring out a way to kill a lyth spam at that PR. There`s just no way, unless it`s a major group effort. And this is not because of the skill of the people trying to kill the lyth spam, it`s because of the economies...just can`t compete.

Is this right? Should this be the case? These are the questions that I am asking.
D Deamon666
keep that streak of amazing posts coming Freelancer

and if you spam lyth past 10 mill it cost royal only the best economics can keep a stack of 20 mill pr without seriously draining their reserves
F Freelancer
Lyth`s high upkeep is to help prevent it from being spammed, and yes it doesnt stop everyone but it can cost a penny to spam unless your rich even then it can still cost you alot.

There is no still to set up a mineral A.miner empire, just the ability to fight well.
And CG / TAX a.miner require exploring of good planets yes, but this is the same for every other race.

A.miner naturally has a higher income yes. And all our ships got higher upkeep to make up for it.

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A player is successful in combat on his own decision, 1 ship like Lyth i dont think turns the tide of war alone.
It sounds like you wanna make Lyth nerfed so its easier for newbies to use, or easier for everyone else to kill.

Lyth requires a high cash reserve or a high income. Sounds like an economical thing yes, but that requires a player economic skills... i would hate to see lyth turn into a useless ship so its easier for newbies with less cash or less income to afford. Lyth is a decently balanced ship & we got 2 cheaper slower building missile ships that are easily affordable for newbies.
M MajorDineroOP
Okay, let me ask you a question freelancer:

who do you think should be the more successful player?
-the guy that knows how to set up income and explores patiently for a long time, but sucks at combat.
-the guy that is brilliant at combat, but not as good as exploring or setting up empires?

I think that right now in the state of GC, the guy who is better at exploring and knows how to set up and income will be way more successful compared to the 2nd guy.

This is mostly due to OP ships like lyth, which allow rich players to spam and not think about combat.
F Freelancer
No i was lost on what MajorDinero was talking about.

I didnt know Lyth being over powered is a new concept... and yes it an an high upkeep ship.... and ya its easier for a richer empire to afford it than the average joe. Average joe & the rich both use the Lyth. It is overpowering, so are many ships in this game. How many A.miner ships would you considered over power? i only consider Lyth overpowered & thats is fine with me. If not we need to go back & nerf alot of ships from every race that is overpowered.

I still wanna know MajorDinero person reason for wanting to nerf Lyth...
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