Players of fast server, and TB

OP 20/02/2011 · 01:00 AM #1

Fast has always been a great server in terms of UW opposition. The opposition is active and resourceful, and it sets the precedent that a fast UW is an achievement to be earned.

However, it seems that nobody wanted to fight AM`s fast UW this time around. I`d like to hear from the players of fast why they didn`t try as hard to take down AM`s UW, whereas Gilead`s UW a while back was dealt with effectively...and every single non-chain UW saw huge amounts of opposition.

My theories:
-lack of BTC? [perhaps they were all used up to fight Gilead.]

-lack of motivation/incentive? [why bother fighting the UW? I`ll just make my money back after and mind my own business.] or [Even if I beat AM, someone will just build up to UW again, it`s pointless.]

-lack of overall interest in the game? [GC is dead, EoE alliance on fast are tyrants etc...]

-feelings of futility? [any people think that in order for anyone to build so much PR in ships, cheating must have been involved?]

-other reasons?

I have a few ideas to make UWs more interesting, but I`d like to hear from the GC community first.

E EvilLoof

20/02/2011 · 10:07 AM #23

prolonging uwtime/removing btc would be a massive boost to uw defence on turnbased, and most likely make uw`s even easier...

M MajorDineroOP

20/02/2011 · 09:25 AM #22

From your post BK, some possible things can be done:

1: Make UW rewards even better (probably not the best solution, but it`s something that can potentially be done), so that yes - you NEED to fight them.

2: The need for UW boom to affect artis (something that REALLY needs to be done, but probably won`t happen)

3: Reward people who use BTCs to successfully take down a UW with regs to replenish their arti stores. (wouldn`t be the first time this idea is suggested)

4: I don`t like the idea that UWs can be taken down by BTCs either. That`s what I think my idea of extending the UW duration, and blacking out BTCs to compensate for the lower playerbase might be one of the more effective ways to make UWing more balanced on TB servers.

Also, in response to your first statement - if all you are going to do is sit and hoard BTCs, you`ve become just as stagnant as those empires you were bashing a while ago...something to consider

D deamon666

20/02/2011 · 09:11 AM #21

have a the resource penalty be to lose 95% of all of theyr resource make it normal for those that hit and . . .

-30% pr reduction get -30% loss
-60% or even put in dp get no loss
- uw kill empire gains 50% of their resources

B BurgerKing Admin

Admin 20/02/2011 · 09:09 AM #20

MD - I see no reason to waste artifacts that can be used for better things. A number of other reasons as well. I do not like the fact that artifacts are needed to kill a turn based UW in the current state of the game, therefore I generally do not use them.
Plus - Why would I stop someone whose empire I don`t like from restarting? lmao

B Brotherhood

20/02/2011 · 08:57 AM #19

mabey should punish the empires that do NOT hit the UW more than the ones that do..scale the punishment according to how much or how little one has fought it...leave the most punishment for those who do nothing...

M MajorDinero

20/02/2011 · 08:39 AM #18

ah. someone brought up artis.

Perhaps, BTCs should be taken out of play for UWs. Then, extend the time of the UW, something like a 2 weeks for a fast UW (BTCs taken out of play would also mean that UW holder, can`t BTC build during the UW)

T ThinkFast

20/02/2011 · 08:33 AM #17

It would be nice to be able to dig for rare artifacts without having to get up at 4AM in the morning.

M MajorDinero

20/02/2011 · 08:26 AM #16

these are some possible ideas.

Although I`m not sure if these ideas will work, if what kanza thinks holds true for most of the rest of the server.

E EvilLoof

20/02/2011 · 08:24 AM #15

fed with most dmg to uw +2 btc each? or is that too much, could be abused too of course... hmm

B Brotherhood

20/02/2011 · 07:23 AM #14

Now that is a awsome idea MD...why not have a reward for those or whomever kills uw..that might just be the answer...

L Loof

20/02/2011 · 07:23 AM #13

a failed uw should restart the empire no doubt, imo

K Kanza

20/02/2011 · 07:19 AM #12

what, the organ grinder played the music, but the monkeys didn`t dance....what a bummer

M MajorDineroOP

20/02/2011 · 07:15 AM #11

See this is what confuses me, assuming BurgerKing isn`t being his good ol` trolling self.

I know that even though there are only 5-7 real active, powerful opponents on fast...it would prolly only take 1 to bring down the UW. 2 of em working together, could probably totally destroy it.

But it doesn`t happen. Why? MK aren`t the ones killing TB servers, it`s the old guys sitting back, and not doing anything, when they could be doing something.

Are UW rewards simply not good enough incentive to make people oppose UWs?? do we need an incentive to make failed UWs, more damaging to the UW holder? do we need UW rewards for people who take down a UW?

B BurgerKing Admin

Admin 20/02/2011 · 07:08 AM #10

I`m about 95% sure I had enough BTC`s and cash to kill the UW. It wasn`t a particularly great fleet, but I just used nothing more than the turns I got during it. No reason though - If MK and it`s spawns across the servers want to keep killing the rest of the TB servers I see no reason not to let them. Playing with themselves should get old eventually.

And @ Pete - I am certainly not new to fast at all :P This empire is 800 days old and the Terran I had before I restarted was nearly as old and probably more powerful tbh since i had more artis then.

B Brotherhood

20/02/2011 · 07:00 AM #9

And its not on TB servers only either...when i left the game over year or or so ago this subject along with lots of others was being discussed because uws was going off left and right with hardly no real opposition...all the older empires allied together to take turns getting the ship reward...i havent been back long and from what i gathered there has been a few more booms since...i looked at the charts for HOF and there are uws by empires that were less than a month old...that says it all...UW just not what it used to be...its become way to build unique empires now that you get to carry over a ship...i loved the idea when it was proposed but now that its here its caused so many to" let it happen long as i get too" agreements its ruined the prestige of it in my opion...am i wrong here?...if so please explain what i am missing lol

D deamon666

20/02/2011 · 06:50 AM #8

hey i was never big i this game at first then one day i got bored and came back and now less then i 6 moth paid later im on par in resource and infra whit most of the old empires so old or yough all u need is skill in economics and a willingness to adapt in combat

B Brotherhood

20/02/2011 · 06:36 AM #7

; all the good players have become friends just as it seems has happened in most the other servers as well...seems as though thats become the trend coming from a returning player like myself..look how the older empires are all grouped together in feds in all servers..how can you stop that?...newer empires no longer can get support from older empires cause there is no diversity left...so just like AM said so wisely" All the opposition are friends"...says it all...just outside therory from newbvie dont get mad at me plz...:)

A AmericanMinistry

20/02/2011 · 03:25 AM #6

All the opposition is my friend! they would never actually try to take my uw down right???? That has to be the reason!

P PistolPete

20/02/2011 · 02:08 AM #5

Fast has been the most balanced server the last couple of years. For a long time EoE were outnumbered, and only held the ranks, because of coordination and turn efficiency. One by one the opponents dropped off though - to mention a few of the good empires we`ve fought.

Donster (Still active but never building anymore. Has one of the most dangerous empires though.)
Northernthunder (An active viral - with a decent economy)
BobbyIndustrialPat (Big mineral miner)
Ragnarok (big terran food producer)
Balzac (Nice collective empire)
Enki (Viral with big economy)
Ching (Guardian with a big economy)
Atractor (Big guard with good economy)
Mallow (collective)
Ondante (Terran)
Knossos (Big Guard)

The only players left, with many semi inactive are:

Founders, Atreides, Archy, Blackadder, Darckknight and katzrule

A few new additions has come like Islander and KnightOfNi.

But this will in no way make up the loss of the players that we either killed - or stopped playing.

C Crack

20/02/2011 · 02:00 AM #4

I just started playing on all tb servers.. And only in fast am i in a fed.. So i listen to my fed leader.. Anyway my empire is still new in tb..

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