Players of fast server, and TB

A 1 week UW would reduce the need for BTC`s and by default allow more small empires to make an impact with multiple attacks over the seven days.

But getting rid of BTCs would be a mistake. But with a reduced importance in UWs, empires are under less pressure to dig.

I would support changing rare and uncommon dig times to 15 minutes each, twice a day, 12 ours apart.

oh and @Katz

It seems Islander has brought his RT ego to fast... so now it can only be a matter of days before the eden alliance crumbles at his feet and the opposition prevails :P

Taking BTCs out of the UW situation would be wrong imo... that is exactly the situation where they are relevant. Looking at slow for instance. When you go below top 30 you get to empires in np. Since probably half the remaining empires are MK or allies, that would mean roughly 15 empires left to take the UW down. Given the amount of turns acquired in 2 days/ 1 week is not very large compared to the turns the UW holder can put into his fleet it seems to me it would be even easier to UW if BTCs are removed.

no...

Also, while fixing dig times is probably one of the more logical things that need to be done, we should focus on things that the current admin team CAN do. It`s been long established that steven doesn`t care about this game to make any big changes.

Things like changing UW rewards and making the UW last longer are all things that admins can do, which is why I keep bringing them up.

Regarding my idea about a longer UW: I think a 1 week UW, with BTCs taken out of play would be sufficiently fair for the opposition to take the UW out, if everyone pitched in. And even if only 1 person pitched in....1 week is 2500 turns on fast. That`s around 25 BTC of turns for each player. I think it`s worth an idea to at least be tested, if BW/WC is willing to get a fake NPC UWing going on fast.

Katzule: take a look at the richlist. Out of the 20 empires that are on the list, 10 of them are from outside of the EoE alliance. 3 of the top 6 richest empires are not in the alliance.

Arnwolf/Void/Disciple have 1772 planets between the 3 feds. EoE alliance has 4322 planets between its allied feds.

There are enough resources on fast for the opposition to fight and control the ranks, but I wonder why it doesn`t happen?

I`m sorry, I`ve been in the dark way too long. Who`s BK? Do you really think that you could have single handed brought down this UW. That a very bold statement. I can see your reasons for not attacking, but, the logic is missing. If all the largest jumps off a cliff, soon I`ll be the largest.
Maybe you could have started the uprising. 1 Hit of 100 or 200Mil would have shown a chink in AM`s armor. Average folks would have tried more. So a boring UW is all your fault.

Now to answer MD`s questions. Lack of BTC`s slowed me down, but my clocks will change soon. Splitting rare time is not a bad idea but it would be better to add a Super-Rare time. 5 or 10 minutes, 3 times a day.

I think it was a great UW, well played! Congratz to AM!

It doesn`t surprise me that older empires hand out together. Older, strong empires deserve due respect. They are the backbone of our world. But when a fed monopolizes all their resources, and profoundly effects the server, then a re-start in in order. Yep, one fed blows 3 UW in 6 months & its game over.

Removing the UW penilty, much like AM`s gift, would do about the same.

removing btc would not help. no btc and Gileads uw would have succeded, i mean would you defenders sitting up there let me build 1 weeks worth of lyth to take out gils sb i dont think so. we could of pecked him to death but then the huge alliance you guys have of half the server could have funded him to build more by selling to him cheaply and buying it back for more. before any1 starts im not saying you have or would do that but you could.

this uw wasnt opposed as much as gils due partly to all the reasons you suggested and more. i thought about it at the start but changed my mind as i thought it would turn out to be a fake uw as ppl were to eager for me to waste $ and btc.

Rewards for empires contributing to effectively defending a UW seems appropriate. I like the idea of giving BTCs based on attacking PR.

UWs can be beat, but a part of that success are the empires who spend most of their turns digging to be an artie store for their fed. One empire handing out 30+ BTCs a UW to fed mates makes a difference.

BTC rewards for defending would allow empires to something other than dig all the time.

My thoughts:
1) In order for larger empires to think about hitting, they need to see regular attacks by all other empires on the UW-holder. This one was not hit much I think. [I mean Kryos ... come on guys ... not that hard to kill]

2) Recovery is almost immediate, esp. for per turn/income empires.
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I would add that the lack of appropriate dig-time for western-based players really does hurt though.
I agree that BTC is the only requirement on non RT/ultra servers.

I just do not understand why there can`t be another rare dig-time. Make them 2 batches of 15 min ... say one at the current time, and one 12 hours later.

First and for most, i think everything should stay the same on turn base servers. Empires just need to see that if they let their enemy UW, it makes them more stronger due to the UW rewards. They are on their way of a Lucas Empire, but as we all know this will only puch players away due to them being over taken in later times. So really it is a loss/loss, we just need to find a way to attract more players to the game, and keep them happy to play the game.

I`d love TB UWs to be longer, have always thought that 48 hours on anything but RT, and possibly Ultra is not enough. I don`t have any BTCs, and any hope of me being able to take on AM`s, or any other UWer`s fleet in 48 hours is just impossible. Fleets like AM`s take weeks, and/or plenty of BTCs to build, and expecting empires to be able to/want to, expend the BTCs to try and match the amount of turns to take down an UW in 48 hours is unrealistic.

Here is an incentive.

If a UW is defeated they could give the attacking empires BTC`s based on the total PR of their own attacks.

Maybe one BTC for every 5 million of fleet PR.

Your questions are interesting.
-lack of BTC? [perhaps they were all used up to fight Gilead.] If the count is accurate, there are 388 BTCs on the server. I have a small number of them.

- [any people think that in order for anyone to build so much PR in ships, cheating must have been involved?]

Just making an observation for the discussion. The UW at my first attack was at 264,060,851.

The fleet composition worked out to 6412 turns to build.

I had not been watching AMs PR before the UW so I cannot really comment on him launching a UW from that level.

Or how long he may have taken to build up to that level with base stations and then migrate his fleet over to ships while maintaining PR.

I started out fighting it, but lost my internet access to a storm and could only make limited hits from a blackberry. By the time I got access back it was obvious that only 2 maybe 3 empires were fighting it so I was not going to waste any more turns or any arties on a lost cause.

I`ll take annoyingly persistent as a compliment from AM considering the limited capabilities I had.