boost to collective capturing

or you could just make every cap ship no-defence. and leave colls the way they are. Balance gameplay and nerf spamming a little.

That`s what I said too in my earlier post! LOL

Change schooner range from 9 to 8, and give it no retal without the no-defense handicap. And while it may have +80% against kinetic, this is offset with big negatives in energy and ECM. And again, it`s no use as a defense against cap ships because IT DIES TO RETAL ATTACKS that cap ships have. That`s the whole point to having the no-retal thing on it.

I swear, the biggest handicap that collective ships have against big capital ships is that they die due to retal and then the follow-on attack. Remove that, and then collectives might actually have a chance against some of the cap ships out there, and maybe they might actually be COMPETITIVE vs guard. Then MAYBE collective will actually have another ship besides the BRIG to rely on at higher PR levels.

Again, this isn`t as big an issue on RT server, but on the slower servers it`s definitely an issue.

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Give schooner no retal and if you must change it`s range to 8. That would make me happy.

I don`t have alot of exp with collective or fighting them for that matter. But it would appear to me that so many ships with" no defence" would be a handicap as any ship that flanks one gets a free hit regardless of no retal or not.

I would be interested in hearing from an old collective that reg has or does fight in the higher pr on any server what they have to say, also does mixing nuetral class help with this in full stacking.

schooner has 9 range...energy/missle dmg and +80% shds against kinetic. I`d say that makes it a worthwhile using ship.

Rag`s going somewhere with his argument though. Turn for turn, collectives can`t really deal with any of the big cap ships that all other races have. But I`m not sure if making their smaller ships better is any way to deal with this solution. Brig is still good btw...there`s a reason I chose it over gal for my UW rewards :)

Well, I don`t know about the Galleon, it`s a beast of a ship as is. However, in my opinion the R Schooner has always been a somewhat under-appreciated ship. It could definitely benefit from having no-retal added, with a range of 8. It wouldn`t be anything crazier than what maru or viral has. Even the Terran has the T. Fenrir, which is 8 range with no retal/no defense. Never mind that the one missile boat Collective has is ONLY 8 range anyways while miner has 9 range, and terran has range 10 and 11!

Fact of the matter is that collective could use a range 7 or 8 ship with the no-retal special WITHOUT no-defense for certain situations since EVERY OTHER RACE HAS SUCH A SHIP AS WELL. It doesn`t even have to be a huge gigantic spammy ship like the lyth either.

I think everyone hates on the collective because they want to make sure that they can be kept in their place at low PR levels. Cuz heaven forbid they actually beat the miner and guard spammers at their own game. I remember when everyone whined about brigs kicking the butt of every spammer out there. I remember everyone thinking that brig was such a horrible ship because of its range, but then I and a couple others turned around and proved what an awesome anti spam ship it was. Now because of that the ship was toned down, and even then it`s still a scary ship. ^_^

Seriously though these suggestions are out of proportion elemental. They are far too drastic buffs.

Just add the Hyperspace Longboat to the collective shiplist :P

Yeah, let`s increase the range to brigantine to 11 and get rid of the no-defence. It should also have a 2000% chance of capturing ships in battle